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Episode 350 - Religious Footballers - More conundrums than the Trolley Problem

Yes ... 350 episodes. That's a lot!

In this episode, we discussed a few things, namely:

  • Do Australians pay too much income tax?
  • Wages back to 2008?
  • Land Banking
  • Designed Obsolescence
  • Foreign Affairs ep 350
  • Douglas MacGregor
  • Old Joke
  • Pelosi
  • Ground News
  • Lydia Thorpe
  • Religion ep 350
  • Footballers are at the centre of religious Freedom Debates
  • Bishop Robbed at Gunpoint During Sermon
  • John Barilaro
  • Can it get any worse for the Victorian Liberals? Yes, it can
  • Prayers in Parliament
  • Federal Politics
  • Reservoir Dogs 2 looks shit
  • Small Nuclear Reactors
  • Pop Quiz
  • Morrison and Boats
  • No Point to Morrison
  • Will there be a point to Albanese?
  • We are all Charlie Browns
  • Census data shows poorest seats voted Coalition; byelections or polls from four states
  • UK Politics
  • How will a new Tory leader be chosen?
  • The State of British Politics
  • Qld Coal tax
  • US Politics
  • Alex Jones
  • Trump searched
  • Trump and the generals

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We need to talk about ideas, good ones and bad ones.

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We need to learn stuff about the world.

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We need an honest, intelligent thought provoking and entertaining review of

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what the hell happened on this planet.

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In the last seven days, we need to sit back and listen to the

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iron pissed and the velvet glove.

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Yes, dear listener.

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We're back live on Tuesday night.

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I'm back from a holiday.

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I'm here with Joe.

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How are you, Joe?

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I'm good.

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You I'm very well.

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So feeling relaxed and refreshed.

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. If you are watching you after that little boat bobbing on

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the ocean, I'm not surprised.

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Yeah.

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If you're watching the live stream or the video, then you would've

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seen scenes from Fitzroy island where I was, which is just off cans.

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And it's just like a 45 minute catamaran journey.

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And there's a resort there.

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And the beauty of it is that the sun sets over the water, which

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is always very nice and romantic.

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And you can just walk off the beach and there's great coral for snorkeling.

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So, so I highly recommend Fitzroy island.

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If you go to cans, it's excellent.

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So the resort not too expensive, not too flash, but it's like not five

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star, but anyway, all very good.

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Good to be back.

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Good to be live.

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All of the recording stuff seemed to work well.

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So that was a triumph.

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If you're in the chat room, say hello.

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Hello, Tanya.

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And you're the first one there.

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Good on you.

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Alright, well tonight we're gonna talk about economics, foreign affairs,

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religion, federal politics, pop quiz, usual mixture where probably cover

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30 topics in two hours, something crazy like that Mell in the chat room.

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But as I was doing the heading for the proma for this, I realized episode

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350, which is a nice number to reach.

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And that means also on the 4th of July, the podcast passed the seven year.

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Mark, I guess.

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So, so scary thought it is isn't it.

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So 50 episodes a year, seven times 53 50.

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I'm keeping up a good pace.

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so are you Joe?

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Cause we were just discussing, trying to work out how long you've been on

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it and it seems like couple years, a hundred, a hundred odd episodes.

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Yeah, something like that.

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Although I don't know if it's as many episodes cuz we've been

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doing fortnightly for a while.

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Yeah.

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So, so anyway so yeah, 350 episodes.

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Well, I will pause and just reflect a little bit on the podcast.

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So obviously with starting with Scott, who's up there in Mackay now,

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and we'll be back on at different times, Scott, if you're there.

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Hello.

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And you know, looking back Paul, the 12th man was, and Shay, and now Joe, and

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over the years, there's been some regular guests, such as Hugh Harris and Craig as

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deep throat and Paul WAPA in recent times.

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And also Cameron Riley appeared a few times as well over the years.

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So thank you to all those people who have chipped in from time to time.

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And the butterfly man, Frank.

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Yes, that's right.

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Frank Jordan, the butterfly man was in a couple of times.

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Yeah.

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So originally delist like, it's a bit, I mean, all the

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old episodes are still there.

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You can go right back to the very beginning.

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Originally very much focused on secular issues, religion, and there's only

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so much you can talk about with that.

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And so we, you know, worked into just general politics and stuff.

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And when I was doing my submarine episode, I realized that I started

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talking about submarines way back in like episode five or something like that.

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So I've been on submarines for a long time.

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That was one of my better picks where I said, this is completely ridiculous

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and it's turned out to be the case.

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And also it's yeah, definitely things have changed.

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I mean, previously I was definitely more right.

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Wing leaning than I am now more libertarian right wing in those days I was

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agreeing with the 12th million more far more than I would today would be the case.

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So that's alright to sort of, change your opinions over time.

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Like I think I have on different things maybe just change perspective

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as well on some things without necessarily changing the opinion.

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I mean, you can look at some things and think they're a big

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problem, but really they're not, it's not what's going on so much.

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So I think like things like qui let was a website that I quite liked

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in the early days and probably liked Brendan O'Neal in spiked.

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Probably even Douglas Murray, somebody like that.

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But after a while you realize actually it's just a straw Manning of stuff.

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That's not really going on, it's a beat up.

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So that's, you know, how I sort of think about a lot of that stuff.

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So I shouted to think of some of the things I said back in the early

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days and who knows in three years time, Joe, I may shout to think

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about what I'm about to say tonight.

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I, I do remember a discussion about voting green, right?

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And, and I think how outlandish it seemed.

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I think I played a clip from a, from somebody who said, I've, I, I may

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have lost my may have lost something, but I haven't lost my fucking mind.

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And he was, he wasn't gonna vote green or something like that.

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So yeah.

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Ended up voting green in the last election.

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Yeah, in defense even though I have sort of been sympathetic to some of

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those characters, I always despised Jordan fucking Peterson, like from the

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very beginning and also Scott Morrison.

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So I can pick some charlatans off from a distance pretty quickly.

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yeah.

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I mean the whole channel for interview with Jordan Peterson was

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a masterclass in how to not let somebody put words into your mouth.

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Yes.

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It was a aside from that, the man just Vaus bullshit, I think is

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the, with a frightening amount of religion thrown in there and yeah.

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Love of the Bible.

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Yeah.

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Where I think a lot of rationalists initially thought,

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oh, this guy seemed interesting.

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And once you really look through the gobbledygook, you thought, oops, this

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is perilously close to some religious Dogman that this guy's promoting you.

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And, and I, I, there were a few liberal minded people who around

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the time of COVID seemed to just go completely off the deep end.

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I.

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They realized that the left were ignoring them and that to raise

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funds that they needed to go further.

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Right.

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And they have yeah.

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Captured by their audience to some extent you thinking March.

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No.

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Was, is that what you're thinking?

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I, no, I wasn't actually, I was thinking of Brett Weinstein and

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his wife, Heather hing, right.

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The, oh, the UK comedians, the podcast trigonometry.

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Yes.

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They went off the rails who?

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Yeah.

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So there was a whole load that went deep into the conspiracies.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Deepak Chopra.

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No, Deepak Chopra has never.

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And, and John, my point was, I wasn't on board with Peterson

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from the very beginning.

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I said, the guy is a, is not to be glorified in any way.

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So yeah.

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But you're right.

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There was that sort of internet, intellectual, dark web.

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And I really like a podcast, dear listen, called decoding the gurus,

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which is looking at the Weinsteins and the Jordan Petersons, the

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Douglas Murrays, the even Sam Harris.

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I still like Sam Harris.

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I think he's blind to a few things, particularly economics and American

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power, but but decoding, the gurus is a really good podcast for looking at

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some of these characters in depth and, and And just decoding them and looking

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at what they're saying, is it sensible?

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Do a lot of these guys have a thing where they would dog whistle, they would sort of

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invite guests onto their shows where the guests were say anti-vaxxers or something.

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And in amongst their interview, while 90% of the time they were supportive of

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their guests, they would occasionally throw in a line that would would

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say, oh, that would be Contra the anti-vax line, which their supporters

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could use as a line, say C an excuse.

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He doesn't.

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Yes.

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As an excuse C, he didn't swallow the whole thing.

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He said this, but it paled into insignificance when 90% of the time

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they'd be agreeing with these nut.

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So anyway, that's an interesting phenomena where people have been captured by

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their audience and have gone further.

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Right.

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Joe Ogan was a good point.

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I mean, he had anybody and everybody on.

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Mm.

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And as long as he curated who he had on, so listening to the black astronomer.

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Neil Neil deGrasse.

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Tyson.

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Yeah.

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Neil deGrasse.

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Tyson.

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Yeah.

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Listening to him talk unrestricted for three hours was great.

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Then he had some wellness psychologist who believed that

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there was no such thing as illness.

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We were just eating badly.

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Mm.

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And listening to her go on unrestricted for three hours was painful.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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So, yeah, DEC indicating the Gus has done a lot on, on Joe

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Joe Rogan as well, so I'm sure.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, look at that that one.

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So looking back so I've got all my show notes, dear listener in one word document

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that's currently running at 2,738 pages.

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So, you know, you can split your word document into multiple sub documents.

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Well, makes it quicker to load this load's quick enough, surprisingly.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And you know, it makes it easy to look back and find things.

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So I definitely, if I wanna write a book, it's all sitting there.

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Like when I think of things, I go, ah, did we talk about that once?

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And I can do a word search and find it.

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So that's a handy resource after seven years highlights over the times would

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be probably, oh, you really enjoyed my arguments with the Toth man.

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That was good.

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Fun.

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Like, I'd have a list of topics.

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And there might be 20 topics long and I'd get to number two.

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And that would be it by the by the time I'd finished arguing with

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Paul, it was good in those days, we can argue and is when it got round

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to cave that it all fell apart.

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But anyway, mm-hmm, , low lights would be wasn't so much the podcast.

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It was the perjury allegation against Robin, which by the way, do you listen

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that we have heard nothing about, so fingers crossed it's now nearly four

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months, I guess, since all that happened.

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So you would've thought if they were gonna do something, they would've

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asked to interview him by now.

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So we'll give it a few more months and then hopefully you ask for them

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to tell you that yeah, give it a few more months and then we'll reach out

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to them and say can you just confirm, you're not gonna do anything with this.

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And that would be nice to know that that's not hanging over our heads.

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So, so, yeah.

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And I've enjoyed the interaction, like the people in the chat room John and Matthew

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and Mel and Eric and Chris and Brahman, of course, Craig Tanya all in the chat room.

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It's even though I've never met most of you it's been, I feel like

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I've met like Broman in particular.

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I feel like I know Broman based on her comments.

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So that's all the highlights.

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And just to finish off the self-indulgent little session current obsessions

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are looking forward on quite interested in economics and history.

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and the propaganda surrounding these two topics.

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So I wish I had read more about the history of power in economics.

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And cause I think you need to understand what has gone on before

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in order to understand the current state of play and the best solutions

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like understanding China, Taiwan USA.

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If you only look at what's happened in the last few months, you

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are totally missing the point.

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You have to go back a hundred years at least to see how it all

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fits in and to understand it.

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So, so yeah, that's what I'm interested in doing is sort of delving into

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that and explaining those things.

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And it's an in, you know, at least with this podcast, the island Fest and the

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Velva glove, we can delve into whatever topic we feel like at any particular time.

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It's not like the podcast is called the secular agenda or something

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like that podcast where I am compelled to talk about one topic.

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I can, we can scoot around, talk about anything that's of interest.

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Do you know much about the Armenian genocide at all?

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Only that the young Turks were involved in some way, right?

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The young toes TV show was named after some people who were

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involved in the genocide, right.

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And the Turkey.

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Doesn't admit that it ever happened.

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I think, yes.

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Yeah.

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So I've been reading a book by Fisk about middle east stuff.

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And just reading about the Armenian genocide 1.5 million people equally as

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horrific and as an intentional, as the Jewish Holocaust, like just loading

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people onto trains and gassing them in minds and all sorts of just terrible

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wiping out of an ethnic minority.

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And I thought just, it's crazy that I did not know any of this

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before and interesting that even, yeah, I, I was vaguely aware of

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it, but yeah, I think it was only because I was going the young Turks.

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Yeah.

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Why the young Turks and look that up.

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Yeah.

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And part of it is because Turkey refuses to acknowledge that there was a genocide

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and it's such an important player in the middle east that nobody wants to upset

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them cuz they all want them on their side.

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So they sort of pander to this Turkish propaganda line and effectively deny

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a Holocaust, which if it was the Jewish Holocaust, you know, you would

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be ostracized as a Holocaust Denyer.

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But because this is just a different Holocaust and it suits people.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, well, we, we really don't talk about Stalin's genocide.

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Do we.

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all the great leap forward mm-hmm so we did talk a little bit once about

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China with different things there.

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So, I just meant as a society.

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Mm.

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We, we are very aware of the, the Nazi Holocaust, but we haven't right.

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Even PO pots.

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Yep.

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And Rwanda, they're certainly not to the cultural front in the same way

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that Western history we're missing.

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Yeah.

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Bits of, yeah.

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So anyway, over time, over the next seven years, well, explore some of that more

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history because it's interesting right.

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In the chat room.

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You're right.

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Broman.

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Yes.

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Broman, apparently Hitler got quite a lot of his inspiration

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from the Armenian genocide.

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Indeed.

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He did a lot of the German sort of future generals were in that area and, and were

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watching how to, how to commit a genocide.

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So they did in fact get a lot of tips from it.

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So, yes.

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It's interesting.

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There's a Netflix series that was actually French it's called za gluten

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mm-hmm , which is all about the Nazi death squads going through Eastern Europe.

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Mm.

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And talking about how inefficient they were at the beginning and.

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The attrition rate of the soldiers who were committing the trustees,

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just, you know, the, the drinking, the insanity, saying that people

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just, this, this wholesale slaughter people cannot cope with.

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Right.

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And that's why they industrialized.

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Okay.

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So it was, this is why Jim and he industrialized, what, what do you

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mean by the, the industrialized, the slaughter, ah, industrialized slaughter.

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So, so gas.

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So rather you have to look at them.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And then you get the prisoners to do the clearing out and all that sort of stuff.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So that's a review of 350 episodes in a nutshell, seven years of my life.

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two of Joe's.

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We'll just keep going.

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Right?

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Little bit of economics, first of all, do Australians pay too much income tax.

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And this is from an article again in the John Menger blog.

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I did a word search on John Manou in my document, it would come up

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with thousands of hits, I think.

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So, Australians pay too much income tax or so some argue the Australian

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financial reviews, economics editor, John Keho, for example, has noted.

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Australians are paying more personal income tax as a share

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of government revenue than any other advanced economy except.

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But the high taxing Scandinavian welfare state of Denmark and the Australian

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financial review after the election said two heavy reliance on taxing, productive

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workers and businesses, earnings, blunt incentives to work, save and invest.

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So Australian financial review Australia pay more personal income tax is a

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share of government revenue than any other advanced economy except Denmark.

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And guess what?

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In this article, they've done the figures and you're gonna see them.

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So it's, and you know, I wouldn't disagree because the richest people in

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the country don't have much earned income.

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Yes.

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In terms of well, let's go through the figures and then see whether

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that statement personal income tax that Australians are paying

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as a share of government revenue.

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So, first chart it's appearing on the screen is so these figures are

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from 2019 because this is the last one of the most recent year in which

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the O E C D has complete statistics.

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And you will see that Australia ranks second amongst O C D member

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countries on personal income tax as a share of total taxes.

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Sure.

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Enough there's Australia and red.

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The only one to the left of the line is Denmark.

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And so on the face of it, Australians are paying a high

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proportion of tax as income tax.

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So, and that's been the case for a long time.

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Australia has ranked second or third in 36 of the past 40 years on that statistic.

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But, and dear, listen, this is the thing, there are lies,

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damned lies and statistics.

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If you like, like this is what we found during the whole COVID argument stuff was

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the way that statistics could be massaged in whatever way you want to present them.

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You have to be really, I, I, I think as well, the, the tax isn't necessarily

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what you need to be measuring.

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It's what you get for the tax.

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How much other things out of pocket do I have to pay for?

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You know, I have to have medical insurance on top.

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Mm.

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Because Medicare is underfunded.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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So I'm paying another, whatever it is, 2000, 3000, however, many

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thousand a year as medical insurance.

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Couldn't I pay that as a tax instead.

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Yeah.

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Well there's all these factors come into it.

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So, so that was just part of the picture that, that straight statistic of

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income tax as a proportion, but Overall Australia's level of taxation as measures.

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A proportion of GDP is relatively low, 27.7% to the O E C D average of 33%.

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So this is level of taxation, all taxes as a proportion of GDP.

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So that's the next chart.

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And we are at the lower end of the scale compared to other O E CD countries

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where the 10th lowest taxing nations.

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So, so far we've showed two charts.

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Income tax is being extremely high, but overall tax being at the lower end.

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Right.

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But it's complicated.

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It's more complicated than that.

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Other nations have social security taxes.

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So Australian New Zealand and Denmark fund social security from general government

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revenue, the other 35 O C D nations levy specific taxes on employers and

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employees to fund social security systems.

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So it's not called income tax.

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It's called social security levy which is a mixture on employers and

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employees, which we don't even have.

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So, until we.

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A 1% Medicare tax.

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I think that's counted as personal because it's part of our tack

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under our personal income tax.

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Okay.

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But so they're not counting that in this they've counted

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that in the personal income tax.

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So if you take into account the fact that in other countries, either via

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the employer or directly via the employee, they're paying another tax,

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which is more or less like an income tax, but it's called something else.

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Social security.

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Did you pay this overseas?

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Joe?

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Can you remember being charged income tax and others taxes?

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I, yeah.

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But you were in a tax Haven, weren't you?

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Yeah, exactly.

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So it was a flat 20% income tax.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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Social security.

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You're not a good example.

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No, no.

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We won't use you.

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Which Jersey was very prosper.

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Yeah.

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Jersey was very prosperous at the time.

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No, not so much.

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Now you're not a good example for this.

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So anyway, in these other countries, if you take into account the fact

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that in addition to income tax, they have these social security taxes and

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you factor that into the equation.

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Whereas previously we were second only to Denmark in terms of how much

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we pay when you whack those taxes in.

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Well, where again, back at the lower end of the scale, in terms

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of adding up personal income tax and see social security, taxe.

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Social security also covers your pension, right?

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Yep.

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Which, which isn't means tested in a lot of these countries.

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Yep.

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And in Australia we have this compulsory superannuation, so you

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have to factor that into the equation.

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And let me just see here.

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Let me just see, why don't I just put up on the chart was reliance

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on social security taxes and after you've factored them in, you get this

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chart here where we're down to the lower end again, in terms of taxes.

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But when you add in superannuation, because as you said, Joe, in those

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other countries, the social security tax goes towards retirement benefits.

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Whereas we in Australia have compulsory superannuation, which

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goes to our retirement benefits.

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So if you factor in those figures, then guess what, we're still at the

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lower end of the scale, according to all this data and the links

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are in the show notes and the calculations and how they arrive at it.

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So I guess the the thing about that whole exercise, dear

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listener, on the face of it.

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The Australian financial review was correct to say that we have

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extremely high, personal income tax second highest in the world.

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But unless you go through the exercise and, and factor in all

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those other bits, you don't, you're not getting the true picture.

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So somebody with an agenda who wants taxes lowered can, can provide you with

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a, a baseline statistic that seems quite compelling in the initial circumstance.

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And then when you dig deeper and understand, then you arrive

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at a different conclusion.

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So it's just people with an agenda who are not who are disingenuous when

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they're arguing and misleading, and you've gotta be on your guard for it.

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Haven't you, when people say things and you think I'm not sure if

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that's right, Google it, and you'll your intuition might be right.

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Like just don't trust people.

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Don't trust people.

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Don't trust me.

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Have a look at these things and see if, just dig a bit deeper when

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things come, things like this come up lies dam's lies and statistics.

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Yeah.

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It's a famous quote.

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Isn't it?

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That's quite true.

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Mm-hmm saying, what are they saying?

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The chat room?

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Joe oh, Chris is saying that he was in Austria and was paying 50%.

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Income tax mm-hmm , but the level of government support was much, much higher.

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And therefore at the end of the day, he had more cash in hand.

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Yep, yep.

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To spend on consumables such as holidays.

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Yep.

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And the thing is when, when these services are provided by the government, it's far

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more efficient than private enterprise example, a healthcare in America where

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they basically say you're on your own.

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It's the most expensive on the O C D indeed.

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So that's just the classic example where you would want to be paying

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higher taxes because it's the most efficient way to deliver a service

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that nearly everybody needs.

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So, there was an article in the, I was gonna say the, the biggest

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benefit I saw argued was there's a single negotiator with drug companies.

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Mm-hmm so rather than having a hundred different insurance companies, each

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negotiating, their own deal, you just have the government that says, right.

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We would need this drug.

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We're gonna pay.

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I mean, apparently New Zealand has pays even less than we do.

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Mm-hmm because of the way they negotiate their drug prices.

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Right.

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Yep.

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And yet, and yet the drug companies are still happy to sell.

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Medicines indeed.

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Whereas in America, like insulin is out of Payton.

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It's one of the cheapest things to actually produce, but it's incredibly

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expensive and just keeps going up and up.

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So, so yeah.

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And there was an article in the rationale.

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I know I RA I bag the rationale one, two episodes ago for their

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Douglas Murray episode, but there was one by their president along the

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lines of, Hey, paying more taxes.

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Isn't a bad thing.

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If you're getting a service for it, you know, that's absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that's, so it's not only the mentality of, are we the lowest or highest taxing

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country, but when you, when you look at happiness ratings and efficiencies

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of governments, you know, the ones that are paying where people are

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paying the higher taxes are generally the happiest communities because

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these things aren't being supplied.

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Mm.

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Yes.

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Me says, but privatization of utilities is awesome.

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Telstra energy outside Queensland, et cetera.

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I've got an article on all that Mel coming up.

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So, cause I was looking Mel about I mentioned a couple of weeks ago

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about, ah, I'm not so sure about the Hawk heating ears and just the

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introduction of, you know, they sold off a lot of stuff and yeah.

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So I've got an article about that.

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They really kicked off a bit of neoliberalism in Australia, walking

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Keating for all their good stuff.

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They did.

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Mm.

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Okay.

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Still in economics, in Australia wages, because we know that prices are going

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to continue to rise and wages are not, they're doing some forecasting.

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And there's a chart there, real wages that is workers income that's

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been adjusted to taking into account inflation are going backwards.

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This is from Dr.

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Greg Jericho, the center for future works policy director.

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Look, I'm pretty sure it's a left wing organization but it gets worse.

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And it sounds as households struggle with rising cost of essentials, real

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disposable income is set to fall for months to come sending workers back

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to what they were earning in real terms over a decade ago, the latest

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reserve bank statement, estimates that real wages will continue to fall.

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That's the reserve banked that wages will continue to fall

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until the end of next year.

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At which point they will be back to 2008 levels.

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There you go.

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And that's what that chart shows.

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That's the that's what we're looking at there.

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So by 6% of effectively, yeah.

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So big drops in real wages.

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I did that article about, oh, I did that interview with Carl Fitzgerald about

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land banking and he mentioned that there was going to be a report coming out.

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So that report is out.

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If you just Google prosper Australia land banking report.

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You'll see it.

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Oh, hi, SHA Shay likes the chart.

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Shane aren't you glad you're out of Haas.

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Holy smokes.

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That would be a tough organization to be working for now.

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Anyway prosper Australia, that report is out about land banking.

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And you said to me, Joe, about that mm-hmm that book came of mates.

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Yes.

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I think by Cameron Murray, it turns out it's from, and he was like

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the co-author with Karl Fitzgerald on this prosper Australia report.

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Okay.

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And he has put out an updated version of that book game of mates.

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And I can't remember the name of the book, but it's out there dear listener.

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Yes.

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You could find it.

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Which is all about this whole idea of land banking, where they've

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looked at developers who have received approval for rezoning.

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They can sell the land, but they wouldn't wanna flood the market

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with hundreds of lots because that would just drive the price down.

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So they drip feed it out and there's no.

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Regulation in the system to force developers to move land

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on that's ready to be sold.

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So, yep.

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Which is interesting because I was reading about early 20th ERY

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squatters, and they were given blocks of land to clear, but they had to

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improve the land within five years.

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Yeah.

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Or it was resumed.

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So it reverted back to the government.

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Yeah.

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So maybe we need to do that on these developers.

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It should be, yeah.

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You can have this rezoning provided you release it in total,

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within, within a certain yeah.

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Within five years.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Or, or it's compulsory purchase at whatever price yeah.

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For the government to then sell.

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Yeah.

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It's don't hold your breath waiting for it.

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I mean, these are simple ideas aren't they, it's not, it's not hard to do.

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Yeah.

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In the chat room, they're talking about dental care.

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When I did the I looked at a wealth tax on the Elizabeth Warren wealth tax,

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if it was introduced in Australia and it would only kick in on people who

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have got five, $500 million or more.

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And essentially you tax them at 2%.

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Two or 3% for their wealth above that.

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And you could fund dental as part of Medicare and have

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plenty of change left over.

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Now I think the greens are talking about that sort of stuff.

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Well, if you didn't by submarines, you could probably fund dental.

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Indeed.

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Yep.

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Everything's everything can be measured by submarines.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Because we had 12 submarines initially at 50 billion and it was 4.16 per submarine.

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I didn't blew that to 80 billion, but yeah, for a long while there, Scott and I

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were measuring budget materials in terms of submarines and who knows once we buy

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secondhand nuclear subs from the UK or the us, what that's gonna blow out to.

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Yeah.

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I don't think they're gonna sell 'em to us.

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I think I got a suspicion Australia's going to build their own subs here.

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Apparently the Collins class were built here.

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Sure.

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It had a hiccup at one point, like it made a lot of noise, but they were

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able to fix it sort of was a success story of building a submarine in

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Australia building a nuclear submarine.

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Well, no, they won't build a nuclear and that's the point because they

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won't be able to build nuclear.

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They'll build a non-nuclear submarine.

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Fingers crossed.

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That'll be a test of this new government solar powered.

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Mm . Do you have a BMW strangely enough?

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No.

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BMW.

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According to the verge is now selling subscriptions for heated

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seats subscriptions for heated seats in a number of countries.

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This is the latest example of the company's adoption of micro transactions.

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For high end car features, a monthly subscription to heat your BMW front

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seats costs roughly $18 a month with options to subscribe for a year,

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$180, three years, $300, or pay for unlimited access to warm seats for $415.

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And this reminds me of the right to repair.

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Yes.

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In America.

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I don't have, have you seen any of the documentaries?

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No, I've never seen documentary on it.

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Okay.

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You obviously apple is the big one that most people think of, but actually the

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big driving force farmers, because the combine harvesters are all locked down

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and you need specific computers to be able to do any servicing on them.

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Right.

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And they're saying they have a half million dollar combine.

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That is useless unless they're paying massive S not massive

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burgers and who the big John Deere.

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Yeah.

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UN unless they're paying a John Deere license tech to come out and fix it

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mm-hmm they can't do any work on it.

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Yep.

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And they're suing for the right to repair so they can fix these.

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You they've already spent half a billion to buy the thing

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and, and ate Marine . Yeah.

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And, and they, they can't even change out the spark plugs

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without the computer going.

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Nope.

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Not allowed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I saw something on Twitter where this lady said she had a printer and it just flashed

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up on the screen software expired goodbye.

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And there's nothing north with the printer.

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It was working perfectly fine, but the software just decided time's up.

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We we're calling time on this planned us obsolescence.

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Yeah.

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So back to the BMWs, it's not exactly clear when BMW started offering

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this feature as a subscription or in which countries, but a number

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of outlets this week reported spotting its launch in South Korea.

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In the case of heated seats, for example, BMW owners already have all the necessary

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components, but BMW has simply placed a software block on their functionality

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that buyers then have to pay to remove.

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And they make the point here that for some software features that might lead

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to ongoing expenses for the car maker, like automated traffic camera alerts,

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for example, Charging a subscription seems more reasonable, but that

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is not an issue for heated seats.

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Ah, we're gonna start introducing laws to stop people like BMW

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charging subscription for hardware.

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That's already existing.

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They're probably looking at games manufacturers.

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Yeah.

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They will sell you this game.

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Mm-hmm and then we'll make it a grind, but you can shortcut the

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grind by buying this value pack.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Chris Turner says, yes, I agree.

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Bronwin Chris says isn't that button on the dash for turning

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on the heated dash heated seats.

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I'm guessing it's somewhere in the menu system, but I'm sure that

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you could run a 12 volt from the battery straight to the heater.

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Mm don't get me started on 12 volt while I was on holidays.

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We were up at Bingle beach just at, just north of mission beach,

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went to the pub trivia night.

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And one of the questions was what battery would you typically

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find in a motor vehicle?

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And I said, oh, I think it's pretty sure it's 12 volt.

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And the ladies at the table, my wife and their sisters were like,

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no, that doesn't sound right.

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And they went for 24, 24 volt lost that only this a truck trucks are 24.

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Val, are they.

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Yeah.

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Well, it was a question about cars.

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Anyway, we came second, dear listener in the trivia.

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You'd be please.

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Tonight.

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Six volts are fits a motorbike.

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I really needed you.

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I really needed you there.

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Broman.

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Yeah, your Bro's comment was, I'm just wondering whether BMW

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owners deserve our sympathy.

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a friend of mine just sold his Mercedes and bought a BMW.

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And was sorely disappointed.

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Was he?

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Yes.

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Was the cold seats.

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It wasn't the cold seats.

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No, he was just saying it, it, it was a lot more plasticy than he was used to.

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Ah, right.

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Okay.

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I've gotta put a video up that I forgot to put up.

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Let me just find this get that ready to go.

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So let's switch now from domestic economic matters to foreign affairs in particular,

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we're gonna do a combination now of Nancy Pelosi, visiting Taiwan and Ukraine.

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Cause after all there's one common denominator with both these issues

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America, and I'm really sorry, dear listener, but I'm actually gonna

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play something from Tucker Carlson.

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Like this is terrible.

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I know like, forgive me.

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It give me father for, I have seen it is X years since my last.

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These are my sins.

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All right.

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Catholic in, you always comes out doesn't yeah, he used to make

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up sins on he sitting anything.

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I've gotta say something I'm supposed to be here.

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I stole a rubber off somebody

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he used to.

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And in retrospect, if you got out of the confession box with three harm areas

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and six hour fathers, you're doing well.

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Okay.

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Did you actually say them though?

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Probably.

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I would've.

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Otherwise I would've gone to hell Joe.

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Okay.

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Let's play some of what this is.

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Douglas McGregor, retired us army Colonel.

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Dual administration and living memory.

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We don't have anyone that qualifies as a statesman.

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Statesmanship involves advancing American interests at the least

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cost to the American people.

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None of that is in play here.

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We're dealing with a group of poses.

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People who are posturing, posturing is not statesmanship.

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And the American people need to understand something that no one has bothered to

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tell them that during world war II Taiwan was the unsinkable aircraft carrier

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of the Imperial Japanese armed forces.

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All the major invasions of China were launched from Taiwan.

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Beijing will not allow Taiwan.

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To become a Garrison state for American armed forces or Japanese

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armed forces or any foreign power.

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And if they think that we are going to allow ourselves with Taiwan, if they

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think we are going to intervene to defend that island in the event of a dispute,

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then we will be at war with China for the reasons that I just outlined.

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And we are not prepared for that.

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We are grossly overstretched.

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We don't have the logistical infrastructure.

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And frankly, there's an old adage that everyone should remember.

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A, ship's a fool to fight a Fort.

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You have to fight China from the sea.

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We can't win that.

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China can absorb everything we throw at it, and the Chinese are happy to sit

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there, let us travel thousands of miles to reach them and then sink us this.

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I, I don't know why every show on TV's not covering this right now.

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This seems like one of the craziest things that's happened in my lifetime.

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Do you have any.

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Speculation and guess as to why the Biden administration would want this.

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Well, the Biden administration and its predecessors, frankly, treated

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everything that the Russian government said for the last 15 years about

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Ukraine with complete contempt.

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They're repeating that process.

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We see how well that's worked out in Ukraine.

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The Russians were always serious.

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Hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost in this war in Ukraine that

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we should have acted quickly to stop.

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Now we're provoking the Chinese over an over an issue that is at least

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as strategically important to them.

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That's be unbeliev.

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All right.

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That's I promise you no more Tucker Carlson or another 350 episodes.

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Look good points in that is they're not gonna allow Garrison

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state to be set up on Taiwan.

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This is sort of part of their fear of Pelosi being there.

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They do not wanna normalize America set stuff up in Taiwan and

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the other really important part.

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And I've been getting this from various other sources as well is, and

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we've mentioned this before as well.

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It's really, really tricky to do a Naval invasion of a country

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and you've Inc incredibly vulnerable in England managed it.

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Mm.

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which invasion, you know, you thinking of there when they cross

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the channel on D-Day or no, no, no.

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The first and second opium wars, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, in modern warfare, right?

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Yes.

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In modern warfare where you can just lob bombs from a great distance, if you

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can just be on the ground and firing stuff off over the horizon at the ships

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that are coming and, you know, just aircraft carriers and whatnot, they're

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just sitting ducks for all sorts of submarines and, and all the rest of it.

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And they could be just gone in an instant there's no way America could

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stop China if it wanted to invade.

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No.

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Yeah.

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So they just couldn't do it.

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So they're just kidding themselves.

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When people say we've got to be prepared to fight China over Taiwan

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and lose you just gotta add that to it.

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It's just not possible.

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Traveling on water with Navys and armies is not gonna work

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against a half decent opponent and China's a more than half decent.

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The, the question is whether China could take Taiwan without.

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Completely decimating the island.

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Correct.

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They, they could just keep lobbing bombs on it and not, but then what

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would be the point of taking it if, if it's been completely their fault.

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So it's a storing, you know, stirring up a hornet's nest

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that didn't need to be stirred.

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And so yeah, just by the way I saw a comment as part of that video

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thing, which said he was half, right.

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The Imperial Japanese army used Manura as another staging point to attack China.

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So I think that's true.

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I think that were coming through Manura as well as from Taiwan.

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So bear that in mind.

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But that was that I mean she got a lot done Pelosi, according to this Twitter

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person was she stimulated cyber attacks.

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She got thousands of businesses banned from exporting to China.

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She shut down important cross straight communication tool.

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WEBO she elicited mainland military exercises and stimulated

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and imminent temporary blockade.

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Like it was just a little bit reminiscent of Ukraine in that everything she did was

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just gonna be harmful to the Taiwanese.

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I know some Chinese expats over here mm-hmm and apparently

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they watch Taiwanese news.

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Right to get their, to get their Chinese update because it's, it's

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less sensored, it's less skewed.

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Mm-hmm than what they see for coming outta China.

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And what did they see about this?

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I've not spoken to them about this, but it was just interesting that they get

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their news from Taiwan rather than China.

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The expats.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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I mean, the resolution of this whole thing is just to keep encouraging

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China to to become as democratic as possible and to be respecting human

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rights and just be a good government.

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So that at the end of the day when they eventually take Taiwan

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it will be not such a bad thing.

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I mean, you can either just shut people out of the world economy and

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just make people even more belligerent and send them in the direction.

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You don't want them to go, or you can try and gather them into the

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fold and, and try and work together.

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So, that's not the style or you can buy oil from them whilst they

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export their very virulent form of religion around the world.

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Indeed.

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That's right.

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You really need something.

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You will ignore all that other stuff, indeed.

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Yeah, exactly.

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With a fist bump and a burning.

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Peter's chakra.

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Yep.

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Yes.

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Whatley enjoyed that.

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Good on you Whatley.

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He sent me a message.

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Laughed out loud.

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Thought that was a good one.

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That was from Caitlin Johnson.

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I've got a fair bit of her stuff to quote here.

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Doesn't quite fit into this bit, but I'll, I'll mention it here.

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As part of one of her things I was reading is an old joke, a Russian

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and an American get on a plane in Moscow and get to talking.

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The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he's on his way to learn

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American propaganda techniques.

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And the American says what American propaganda techniques exactly the

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Russian replies . I thought it was good.

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Oh, and this is the other thing.

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So Pelosi, while she's over there at a news conference with Taiwanese president

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Pelosi was asked what she could offer Taiwan to offset the possible costs.

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The island would incur, including economic retaliation from China,

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as a consequence of her visit IE you're here causing all this shit.

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What can you offer in return for the mess you've made here?

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She answered her visit was part of a broader us effort to have better

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economic exchanges with Taiwan.

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And she.

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significant Taiwanese businesses are already planning to invest in

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manufacturing in the United States.

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And this blog moon over Alabama says, essentially, you will get sanctioned

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while we will steal your prime advantage in chip manufacturing.

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It's not exactly an uplifting message.

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It's what you were saying.

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Yeah, it sounds about right.

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She said a few other things.

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Trade agreements.

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Yeah.

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It's just like Ukraine.

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It's just, America is gonna fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

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And they're now proposing to fight China till the last Taiwanese

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just don't fight to the Australian Ukrainians were like us Taiwanese

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aren't so they don't count.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Caitlin Johnson article I'll put in the show notes was essentially

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saying, look, Russia was saying, these are red lines regarding Ukraine.

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Don't cross this red line.

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And the west ignored them.

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And China is saying in relation to Taiwan, don't cross this red line have been saying

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for 70 years, don't cross this line.

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Yep.

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And.

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For all those people out there who say, well, we just can't let China bully us

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and we can't let them get away with it.

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Well, the answer is you're gonna have to cuz you can't stop 'em you're

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gonna have to do it through diplomacy and not through hardcore military

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action cuz you just can't do it.

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Right.

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There was one other thing that Pelosi said, basically she said, oh, I've,

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I've got a connection with China.

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And they said, what do you mean this isn't like one of these press conferences?

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And she said, oh, when I was a kid, we used to talk about at the beach,

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if you keep digging a hole, deep enough, you'll end up in China.

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And so I feel like I've got this connection with China.

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seriously.

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We were told that too, which is interesting that both Americans

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and the British would dig to China.

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That's right.

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What's even more amazing is that somebody in her position would

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use that as an anecdote or a, an press conference as a means of

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ingratiating yourself with, with them.

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It's like Sarah Palin with her.

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Oh, I, I get on with the Russians that I can see them from my

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back door or whatever, isn't it.

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If I stand on my tippy toe, I can see, I can see Russia,

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Joe, you you put me onto a website called ground news.

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mm, I was impressed by that.

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I'd not seen it before.

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Mm, ground news, ground.news looks at news articles and analyzes where

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they've been reported, whether it's been in left wing or right wing

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media and sort of, or center media.

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Yes.

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And sort of does this analysis of news reports.

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So one of the interesting things was you could they had

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a, a thing on their blind spot.

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So if you say, traditionally, look at left wing media and you know, you

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do it will say, okay, then you've probably missed in your blind spot.

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This article that for example, appears in right wing media, but

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doesn't appear in left wing media.

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So, and that was where I got the Nancy Pelosi one about Digna hole to China.

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So, so yeah.

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So her connection with China was reported in seven sources that were declared

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as right wing sources, but did not appear in any left or center sources.

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Yeah.

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So, so if you are worried that you're in a bubble or you've got a blind spot, you

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could hop on there and and find things that will appear in the other media.

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Or you could watch Taka Carl, I, I have seen the whole Johnny de thing

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has shown me the inherent bias and yeah, it's got me second guessing now

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as to what else is as blatantly biased watching, watching things happening in

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the courtroom mm-hmm and then seeing across the whole or the left, right.

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Doesn't matter news articles coming out.

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And I going that, isn't what happened, you know, I was watching the live

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stream and what you are reporting.

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Isn't what happened.

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Yeah.

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And you're going, what else are they bullshiting us on?

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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And, and is it, is it this because they have a slant, is it because they're

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being lazy and they're just picking up a press release that an interested party

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has handed to them and just copying it?

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Yep.

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Have they been selective in their quoting and just picking things out?

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Like the financial review just did with personal income tax levels, one statistic

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without the context around it mm-hmm yeah.

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It's, you know, has, has this been the IPA handed them a press release

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and they've just copied and Rere and what the IPA have handed them.

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Yeah.

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That's and yeah, usually you get the left.

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Right.

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And they balance each other out to an extent mm.

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but there have been some things where it doesn't matter which one

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they're all got their own slant.

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Mm-hmm yeah, I I'm starting to go.

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I, I do want to hear dissenting voices.

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Mm-hmm yep.

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You've just gotta recognize where is this coming from?

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So this is what I used to argue with Paul about when he kept creating the spectator.

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And I said, I've seen too many articles from the spectator that were disingenuous,

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that cherry picked one side of the argument and didn't provide the context.

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And the other side of the argument or were just completely lies.

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So I couldn't read anything in that magazine without thinking.

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Am I just reading complete bullshit?

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I don't trust what's in here.

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And mm-hmm I know with the John mangy blog, I've never felt that except with

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one particular author was Ramish URA.

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And I can just remember reading and going this just, you just stood

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out like a sore thumb in that blog.

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And I haven't seen him for a long, long time.

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I think he disappeared from there.

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So, yeah.

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First thing, when you read an article is where is this coming from and who

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is the individual writing it and okay.

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Then start reading it.

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Well, if it's, if it's the courier males lagging off PHE yes.

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He going, yeah, serious a vanity Faire with Donald Trump.

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I mean, I go through my apple news feed mm-hmm in the morning and there's a,

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you know, Trump has been caught doing this and I go that's vanity fair.

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Isn't it.

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Sure enough.

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It's vanity fair.

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Yeah.

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You get a feeling for the style as well.

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Don't you?

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Yeah.

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Me, the chat room said, my dad always said, if you're at the

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bottom of a hole, stop digging

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And she also says, I don't necessarily want dissenting voices sometimes.

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I just want the damn facts.

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Hmm.

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That's why you're here.

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Isn't it, Mel.

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But just the facts according to who?

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Yep.

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Just the facts that you can trust.

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Yeah.

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Ah, yeah.

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So anyway, that statement here, it was from Pelosi she's 82 year old Pelosi, 82.

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What she said in response to the question regarding Chinese aggression

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when I was not speaker of the house.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Okay.

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When I was a little girl, I was told at the beach, if I dig a hole

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deep enough, we would reach China.

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So we've always felt a connection there.

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Make sense?

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Yes.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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And if you dig a hole, that's one meter by one meter by one meter.

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How much earth is.

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In the whole, no earth.

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You've just dug a whole, a trick question.

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Exactly.

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Didn't fall for that one.

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No.

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Yeah.

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I'm impressed.

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so, Joe, if you ever get elected department and you have to swear

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allegiance to the queen, you can do it.

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Lydia tho did.

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And bear it true allegiance to the colonizing, her majesty queen Elizabeth

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II, and be reprimanded by the speaker and be forced to read it properly.

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What'd you think of that?

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Well, I came over here, you know, as part of the colonies to teach

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you all has to speaking quickly.

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So,

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I, I have no problems with allegiance, the queen.

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I understand the Republic movement.

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The question is how, what, why, where I'm not completely anti monarchy.

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I, I think there's a value.

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There's a Val I, yeah.

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I mean, I understand it's a foreign country, but it's still the Commonwealth.

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It's still, there are ties.

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Although I think they become less relevant as each year goes by.

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Hmm.

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You're more of a traditional style.

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I would've pegged you for, you know, yeah.

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I'm first generation though.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Gotta get your daughter on here and see what she thinks.

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Yeah, I I'm sure she would have different views.

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Yeah.

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You know, I good on Lydia Thorpe.

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It reminds me a little bit of when George W.

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Bush was in parliament, I think, and the greens leader just was there

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and just yelled out at him that he was a war mongering, bastard

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or something, you know, like that.

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And eventually got ejected out of the parliament.

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Like it takes a lot of guts to sort of who threw a shoe at him.

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I don't, I dunno if it was the greens leader or not, but

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somebody threw a shoe at here.

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I dunno if it was in the Australian parliament, but it takes a lot of guts in

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a crowded room to to just rock the boat.

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Mm-hmm on the airplane back, there was this guy, two rows back, tapping

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away on his laptop and he had his headphones on and probably didn't

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realize that the sound was coming out of his laptop as he was like firing away

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and killing stuff on his laptop game.

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I said, my wife what's that.

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And you know, we're putting up for, with it for a minute or two.

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It was like, oh, I can't bear this, this just drive me crazy.

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And everybody, you know, we looking around and everybody's thinking,

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this is just crazy, but nobody was like wanting to do anything about it.

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Wanted to go mate.

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Yeah.

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Turn it.

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I pressed the button called the hostess and said, there's a guy back there.

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She was really good.

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Sawed it out.

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Thanks me afterwards.

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That was my Lydia thought moment.

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Okay.

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anyway, ah, Shane, Shane might have, Shane might have a comment to

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make about that Shane, you know, in airplanes, people tapping away on

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their laptops and, and making noise.

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Anyway, very inconsiderate.

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Yeah.

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Oh, she says, that's why we were there.

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That's true show.

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Li thought, good honor.

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Like, okay.

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She made a point, I think, and drew attention to it.

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And so she was told you were required to recite the oath as printed on the

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card and she then did so and afterwards tweeted sovereignty never seated.

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So anyway, I haven't always agreed with everything Lydia TH's done, but

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on that one, I'll never full marks.

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What's that Anne says that as shoe was thrown at John

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Howard on Q and a, ah, okay.

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Eric says I only had your hand in the air for a second Trevor to press the button.

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Hey, probably better to call professionals.

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That's right.

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They're not gonna escalate it.

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Yeah, Joe, over the years, If you'd said to me, seven years ago, 350

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episodes ago that I would spend so much time talking about ethical

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issues surrounding footballers.

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I would've said bullshit.

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How could footballers give rise to ethical dilemmas?

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Their continued maltreatment of women off the pitch, their visibility as part of

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the community, the fact that they maybe don't necessarily represent the norm in

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our community, particularly given there's a lot of Polynesian rugby league players,

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Christian, a bunch of large burly blokes taking a shower together after the match.

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Yeah, soaping each other up I think they jump a nice path, but we've talked a lot

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on this podcast, dear listener, as you would know about Israel for layoff, for

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example we talked about taking the knee.

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We've talked about prayers half time footballers.

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We probably even talked, maybe I think about footballers singing the

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national Anthem at some point, I don't know whether they were obliged

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to whether they should be forced to whose freedoms responsibilities, how

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these all way up against each other.

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And it's actually quite interesting.

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Like I think I put in a in the ad for this podcast, that, that football is

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a kind of like a, the trolley problem, you know, you know, the trolley problem

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where switch the lever and you'll, instead of killing one person, you'll

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kill four people, but blah, blah.

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And then, you know, okay, okay.

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It's, it's not a trolley, but it's a fat person on a bridge and you could

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push them off and, you know, and you have all these other scenarios and

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you can then argue endlessly about what is the morally correct thing

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to do in different circumstances.

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And I think we've, I think we've reached that point with footballers

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where you could possibly have longer discussions by the time

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you've dealt with taking the need.

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So should you push football or off a bridge?

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that's right.

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To stop a gay, a, a transgender train from crashing into a cliff.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's just a, wouldn't say a minefield.

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What's the other thing.

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It's the opposite.

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It's like a, it's a, it's a, you can harvest all of these

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ethical dilemmas from football.

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So the latest one is the manly players.

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The manly football club decided it would make a minor alterations to its

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Jersey to include recogni sort of a rainbow colors as part of a inclusivity

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agenda and recognizing at rugby league.

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No doubt has L G B T I Q sort of people in the community, somebody in head

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office thought that was a good idea.

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And a, nobody spoke to the players and when seven Christian Polynesian

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players found out about it, they said, they're not gonna wear that Jersey.

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And for that particular game, they actually sat down and didn't, they

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didn't they weren't members of the team.

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In fact, I don't even think they went to the match because it was

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a considered a security risk.

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So I think they just didn't even go to the to the oval to even watch.

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I think that was the plan anyway.

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So, yeah, held it to death by a large purple DDO.

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Yeah.

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So where do we stand on this one in the chat room?

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Dear listener, dear chat room me Professional footballers.

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Are they entitled to say, no, I'm not gonna wear that Jersey.

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Should they be paid for their time off?

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Should football clubs be doing this without getting the

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consent of all of the team?

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The people actually wearing the Jersey?

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I hopefully it is an unpaid sponsor and surely it's the same

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as any other form of sponsorship.

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Mm-hmm . If the club has decided that that is a pro pro bono sponsorship,

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mm-hmm , what would happen?

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Are there terms of conditions that say you can choose not to wear a

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sports, be advert on your, if it goes against your religious beliefs?

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Cause there has been times when I think sunny bill Williams was against either

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alcohol or gambling or some other advertisement that was on the Jersey and

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it was either covered up or something with tape or, or some arrangement was

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made to, to cover it up so that he wasn't wearing that obvious logo of

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either an alcohol or gambling sponsor.

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Kind of like that.

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So, well, where to begin with this.

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So.

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And it'll all come back back to the essential thing

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that's being undertaken here.

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So, ah, jerseys in general, I mean, if it is an alcohol or a gambling sponsor that

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is putting the logo on the shirt and you decide you don't want to wear that Jersey,

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then I think as a professional footballer, these days entering into this market, you

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have to say, there are gonna be things on the Jersey that I can't control.

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And I might be forced to wear things that I don't want to wear, but if I

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want the big money and this is where the money comes from, then I'm gonna

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have to wear it or put it in your contract that you're not gonna wear it.

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And see whether you get a contract.

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Like if it is so important to you that you do not wanna wear any gambling or alcohol

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advertisements, for example, on a Jersey, then when you sign up with a club, say,

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I see at the moment you don't have it.

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If you decide to take on a sponsor like that, I either can leave the club

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or wear a J a different Jersey and negotiate it because I think you just

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gotta expect that there might be some.

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Business that you don't like.

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And in the absence of that agreement you're gonna be lumped with it

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because I don't think wearing a Jersey is seen as a personal

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endorsement of what's on the Jersey.

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Like everybody knows that footballers are just whacking on the Jersey.

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That's given to them a little bit different to taking the knee

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or saying prayers at half time.

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like, if you participate in taking the knee or saying the prayer, I think

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people would say, well, you personally are in favor of that particular thing.

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So you might want to abstain, if you are not in favor of that particular thing,

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should the kit even contain any form of advertising, the rugby league Jersey?

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Any, any sports?

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Yeah.

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Well, should it just be thin colors and leave the advertising

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to around there, edge to the field?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, that's an option, but they would, if they said to the players got

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this great solution, you guys don't have to wear sponsorship stuff in New Jersey,

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unfortunately instead of $500,000 a year, you are only gonna get 200,000.

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Is that all?

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Okay.

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I think most of would say.

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I wanna wear the logo, like that's through my morals.

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That that is part of all, this is that if you're gonna take the money and the money

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genuinely comes from that sponsorship logo, which it does if you're gonna take

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the money, then you gotta, you've gotta do the thing that generates the money.

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You can't have both.

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You can't say I want the money, but I don't want to do the

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thing that generates the money.

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That's where I sort of look at these things.

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So obviously prayers at half time, doesn't generate money, taking the knee.

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Doesn't generate money.

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It's nothing to do with that.

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So, and you're quite entitled to say, I'm not gonna participate in that.

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I'm a footballer wearing a rainbow in your shirt.

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Doesn't generate the money though.

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Does it?

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Well, good que good point.

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Good point.

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But UN, unless, unless you are virtue signaling to a group of advertisers.

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Yes.

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There's some incidental virtue signaling money, but there's also the

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point that whatever's on the Jersey.

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It's not taken to be.

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Personal endorsement.

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Like if I was a professional footballer, for example I'm put in a time machine and

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they add 40 kilos of muscle to me and, and , and half my speed of running a hundred

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meters and they say, sustainable steroids.

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You'd be fine.

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And here, here you go, Trevor, you can join.

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And there's a fair chance that there's gonna be a Christian hill song

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advertisement on the, on the Jersey.

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I guess if I put myself in that position somehow you know what

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I would, I wouldn't join a club that had that as their sponsor.

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I'd find some other one, but if the sponsorship came up while I was there,

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I'd say, continue with this and I'm gonna leave at the end of my contract.

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And then I would just wear the Hillsong Jersey for the remainder of my contract

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and then go at the first opportunity.

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And at the end of the day, people would all know my position on hill

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song and whether I supported it or not, I don't think my moral

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position would be I wouldn't be seen as a hypocrite or or whatever.

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I'd just be just dealing with the circumstance as it arrives.

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So that's what I say to, to the Polynesian footballers.

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You're you're not worried about burning in health for supporting cell.

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That is true.

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Yeah.

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But so I think you can be morally secure and say, I'm locked into this thing.

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I'll put up with it.

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Why I am.

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And then I'm just gonna leave and do go somewhere else.

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They've be going off the chat room more than footballers league.

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Yeah.

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They've been going off the chat room.

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It's really hard to read.

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So sorts of comments while you're trying to think about these things.

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So I'll just read one thing.

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Good point about jerseys, Trevor.

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Thank you, Broman.

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That's that's all I need to read, so, okay.

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Oh and Eric, exactly Trevor.

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So in this case it was one game.

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There we go.

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Some people are agreeing.

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That's good to know.

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John did point out that paid soccer players are having problems

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with personal sponsorship, conflicting with club sponsorship.

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Yep.

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And that's why you choose a personal sponsor.

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That's not gonna conflict with your club sponsor, but if the

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club changes sponsorship later.

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Yep.

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That's why you, when you sign the contract, have a clause that says,

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if you engage a club sponsor that is in contradiction with my personal

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sponsor, then I'm entitled to cancel my contract with you and go and

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kick a football with somebody else.

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These are the sorts of things that you have to do if you

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feel so strongly about it.

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So, and I'm sure these contracts would have stuff like that at that level,

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particularly professional soccer applies.

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So, but.

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Maybe I've missed my calling.

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Maybe I should be writing rugby league player contracts.

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Yeah.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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So you just gotta look at these things and yeah.

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If it's not a Jersey, nobody thinks that that is you particularly advocating

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and supporting what's on your Jersey.

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It's like when you're standing for prayers doesn't mean you actually

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are in support of the prayer, unless you're actually saying the prayer.

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This is all different.

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If we're talking about prayers on a football field

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in prayers, in a parliament.

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Yeah.

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Cuz you are compelling people to participate.

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Yeah.

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Oh, enough of all that.

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I've sort of canvased some of the issues.

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Yeah, I think that's enough of that could go on.

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Yeah.

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You're not going on to Bob Katter.

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He's investigat.

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He's on my list here.

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I'm sure he is on I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get to him.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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He's on here.

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First of all, did you hear about in new?

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This is from the New York times and it was a guy in Brooklyn.

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A Bishop in Brooklyn was in the middle of delivering his sermon.

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and he and his wife were robbed at gunpoint of more than $1 million worth

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of jewelry at a Brooklyn church brain.

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Hard enough.

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that's not bad, is it?

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Hmm.

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You're in church.

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And you're wearing 1 million gold with a hadn't realized it was the million dollars

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worth of jewelry you were pointing out.

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I thought it was the getting robbed in church.

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Yeah.

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So well, it's both, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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In the middle of delivering his sermon robbed at robbed at gunpoint in the middle

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of his sermon, begging for money to pay for the poor people who were starving.

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Yep.

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Lamore M Whitehead.

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Do you, do you get carrot as adverts on Facebook?

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Do I get what adverts Carus, the Catholic church's agent?

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Charity.

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No, no, I don't.

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I, I get spammed by them about, you know, a mere $10 could save this person's li

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eyesight in Africa or whatever it is.

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Ah, and you go, if, if only there was a, a large organization that could

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possibly sell off some of its assets to pay for this mm-hmm oh, wait.

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Part of the Catholic church.

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Aren't you mm-hmm yeah, there's one Bishop.

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There we go.

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In the chat room.

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Eric says it was live.

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And Ricky says, God moves in mysterious ways.

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He does.

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Yeah.

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If you've read silence of the lambs Hannibal letter.

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Yeah.

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Collected church collapses.

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Church collapses.

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Yes.

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What's a church collapse.

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As in earthquakes, the buildings falling down on the parishioners,

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he, he, he saw that as an irony that, you know, these people were in.

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Oh, right.

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God's building.

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Oh, he praying to God he collected instances of it as a record.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Or been a lightning bolt strikes a church and burns it down.

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Probably he collected those as well, but it was, you know, the,

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the fruition has being killed whilst praying for redemption.

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Yep.

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Of what an uncaring God.

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Yep.

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We previously were talking about Chris about rum.

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Were we, was Chris, the guy who does the brewing in the chat room?

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I don't remember.

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I do remember somebody talking about rum.

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I pride this podcast on, on, on tackling a wide range of topics in the time that

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we have Joe, like sometimes we hit 30 topics in two hours, Chris, in the chat

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room on a side note, I started making nice pirate rum with 50 kilograms of

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banana, 10 of pineapple, 15 kilos of molasses and 25 kilos of Dray last month.

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You're right, Chris?

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That is a side note.

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Mm yep.

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It's one of the best rums deliver taste.

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Do you done the bucket though?

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This is the question.

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It's it's two years later, it's one of the best rums you'll ever taste.

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Joe, I'll take his word for that.

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I, I actually watched some interesting YouTube videos on making rum, right.

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And how you keep the drags of your dis behind and leave it ferment.

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And, and over time it just gets funer and funer, and really

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adds flavor to the right.

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Okay.

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Bit like a sour in that gets more flavor as it goes along.

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Yep.

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that's when you'll be due is this something you need to tell us?

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Shalene all right.

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Very good.

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Still still on religious matters episode 350.

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The whole John Barro thing.

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No doubt.

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Everyone's across it.

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What a corrupt government they've got down there in new south Wales.

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They're they're making the, the J BKI Peterson government look good is what

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they're doing down there at the moment.

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But I saw this thing, Amy Brown, the new south Wales public servant, who appointed

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John bar Laro for the lucrative New York job says she models her management

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style on Jesus and is confident God can use her to influence people in the

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work she does just to add to the misery of what is new south Wales government.

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Dear listen.

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It's what you just, what I wanted.

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Yeah.

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We've been talking for nearly seven years on how the evangelical Christian

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groups have been basically taking a leaf out of the tea party playbook in

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America and have overtaken the branches in the liberal party in Australia.

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And here's an article from the age, John FA former ABC

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mornings presenter down there.

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Talking about how Matthew Guy and Mitch Catlin, his former chief of staff

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involved in a nefarious thing down there with asking for donations and donations

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never made, but pretty ugly stuff.

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Rams, no doubt across all of it being in Victoria.

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And the opposition leader argued.

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There was no problem because the proposed side hustle never went ahead, which

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is like guy forks saying that he only plotted the blow up Britain's parliament.

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So that's all.

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Okay.

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Anyway some liberals.

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So this is Victoria.

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Some liberals believe they're one dominant party must better reflect

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Christian, right values modeled by American evangelist politicians.

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They believe the future is to inhabit the space vacated by the collapse

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five years ago of the family.

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First experiment, three recent pre-selection in Victoria are evidence.

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They are winning the internal battle in the upper house.

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Southeastern Metro seat.

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Anne Maria Hermans will replace Gordon rich Phillips Hermans

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was a family first candidate.

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That's not a good start.

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As you see me inhales from the assembly of God, I've never seen her.

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I've never met her.

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I've never read anything other than this, but I've got image about her already, Joe,

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that's just the cynical, I don't know.

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Is, is this different from Fred?

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Nile's just a female version of Fred Nile is what I've got in my head.

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So that's Anne Marie Hermans in Western Metro Mo redeeming won the spot on the

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liberal ticket to replace the banished religious fire brand, Bernie Finn.

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Although she says some of the same controversial views that

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led to Finn being expelled.

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So crazy.

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Christian Finn got expelled replaced by promising Christian.

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Crazy, crazy Christian.

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Yeah, that's two, but most telling of all was the contest in

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the Eastern Victorian regional.

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After a remarkably efficient recruitment drive gyps land chiropractor,

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alarm bills ringing, ready?

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Go.

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Exactly.

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And city builders, church figure Renee Heath won a tight contest against

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competent and sensible sitting, liberal, moderate, and lawyer Catherine Bernard,

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wake by a single vote senior moderate lib.

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Go on.

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I was just thinking what happened to Danny?

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What's his name?

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Catch the fire ministries, Victoria.

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Oh, I dunno.

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Let's get through these three senior.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Senior moderate liberals can see the religious takeover they've been

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resisting for 10 years is succeeding some speculate on abandoning their party

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to the insurgents and starting again.

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Will the liberal party survive or are we watching it collapse?

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Daniel Andrews can't believe his luck.

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Ah, Roman, what's going on in Victoria?

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You people down there used to laugh at us Hicksville up here in Queensland.

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I guess you've got Dean Andrews.

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Yeah.

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Danny's somebody.

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He was a Sri Lankan migrant who was catch the fire ministries.

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And I think eventually his church got banned.

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From mixing politics and religion, they, they lost their oh, okay.

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Their tax exempt status.

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The worst possible thing that could happen to a church.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Bronwin knows Danny Nalia so there you have it three they're

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just in disarray down there.

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They need really good candidates cuz they're just obviously fucked

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and all that can happen is they just get more of these Christian nutts

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because they've dominated the party.

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I think they have to, I think what you, I think what you get is the tales.

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Yeah.

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And I think liberals who, I think it's a bit like a few things now.

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I think the, I think they're talking about the board of the ABC of completely

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disbanding it and starting again.

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And I think things like the AAT, the administrative appeals tribunal, so

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stacked with so many liberal appointees that they're going to, I think just

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close down the AAT and start with something else because it's just gonna

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be too hard to get rid of these people.

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So I think the liberals will have to consider abandoning the liberal party.

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The problem is start up a new party, but how do you stop.

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The same, the rusted all motors.

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Well, how do you stop the, you know, what'll happen?

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How do you stop these people taking, taking that over again as well?

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Like they, they might stay with the liberal party.

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It continues to you.

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You stand as a loose Alliance of independence.

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Mm-hmm yeah.

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I, I dunno how they avoid being rein infiltrated when the liberal

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party completely crashes and the remnants of these Christian groups

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decide well, what's the next best conservative party will go to this new

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conservative party will infiltrate in.

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I dunno how you would stop 'em it's not just the Vic liberals who

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convinced that they're too progressive.

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Mm-hmm yeah.

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I mean, isn't that, isn't that why they elected Dustin's opposition leader.

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That was the whole thing.

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Post-election wasn't it, it was sky news and all those were saying

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the problem was they weren't right.

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Wing enough.

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Not, yes.

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Good solid Christian values.

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They moved the liberal party under Morrison was too late.

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Get solid Christian values of an atheist.

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They were too white.

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Peter dozen two left.

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Oh God.

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Okay.

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Bobcat is not happy.

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Prayers in parliament.

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There was a thing where in the Senate, I think it was the labor deputy

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speaker indicating that she wasn.

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going to have prayers or sort of was interested in

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not having prayers and farms.

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There's something about the Senate.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of people were thinking, this sounds promising, maybe this is

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something that labor's been working on and didn't want to tell us about.

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But then I think the other main speaker of the Senate came out and said, well,

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I still want the Christian prayer and that's what we're gonna be doing.

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So there's a bit of a halloo about, I think that's how

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it happened in the Senate.

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I, I don't care about representing over 50% of Australians.

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Mm-hmm yes.

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Milton Dick, I think is the house of reps guy.

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And he's pretty much keen on the Christian prayer.

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He's not gonna change that.

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I, I, I thought it was a condition you went to see a doctor for.

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Yeah.

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Hey Braman.

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I haven't forgotten it.

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Braman.

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I'm only an hour and a half into this podcast.

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I'm gonna get to it.

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Okay.

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Hold your horses.

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I'll get to the end of this.

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Even if it kills you I'm gonna fight this till the last Ukrainian okay.

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Yeah, Bobcat wasn't happy.

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He said Christians we're persecuted.

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We, Christians have no illusions that we are now under per.

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Then for several paragraphs, he rants and raves and carries on, and

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then it finishes off with this is still Bob Katter complaining about

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potential change to the prayer.

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And now we've been told by some that we cannot say prayers in the parliament.

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We can show allegiance to some lady in England, but we cannot say prayers.

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So my fellow Christians, Muslim seeks and people of other religious belief.

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I say this to you, please.

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Will you circulate the names of those who persecute you?

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We must stop this coldhearted persecution.

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They got Pearl, they got Hollingworth, got FAU.

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They've got the manly boys.

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It's the seven footballers with the rainbow Jersey.

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So when will they start on you?

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Bob KA, he went on to say, one person a week is taken by

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crocodiles in north Queensland.

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Did he?

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No.

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Bob KA loves the gay marriage in defending the Christian prayer is saying to his

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fellow Muslims and seeks and people of other religious beliefs circulate

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the names of those who persecute you.

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We might hand him a piece of paper with his name.

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yeah, absolutely.

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And so guess what, Bob, as a Muslim in a seek, when you force me to sit through a

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Christian prayer, kind of like a that's cueing me kind of like a persecution.

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. How does somebody who is rabbiting on about the need for Christian prayer?

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come to the conclusion that he will get support from the Muslim sea and seeks.

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He's already proved that he's not rational.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So why are you expecting reason to come out of him?

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Hello in the chat room, Alison says so Sue lions, I think is the lady in the Senate.

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And Alison says, my source tells me that Sue lions took

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her party by complete surprise.

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There we go.

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So that was looking promising in the Senate and then it wasn't

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Bolger council, Schitz council.

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Apparently they have got rid of the prayer and now have a

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moment of silent reflection.

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There's a victory slowly happening.

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Yep.

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All right.

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Joe, I saw this on Twitter for Marqui lawyers and it made me

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just almost burst out laugh.

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It was laughing.

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It was a picture of the the current opposition in the house of

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representatives, standing around looking very unhappy, probably

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some voted gone against them.

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At that point.

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They're all in very dark suits.

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All of them in white shirts, nearly all of them in a dark tie.

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and anyway, with the picture Marky lawyers had the comment reservoir

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dogs too looks shit and they do, they look like something out of a remake

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of reservoir dogs anyway give gonna be Marky lawyers small nuclear reactors.

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So this Dutton opposition has declared that quote it's high time that Australia

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had an honest and informed debate on the benefits and costs of nuclear energy.

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And because we've never had one before.

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Yeah.

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And Hey Joe, I'm just thinking, have we got the chat appearing on the screen?

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Would that be appearing on the video or is it all off to the side?

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Cause I changed it.

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Oh, you're right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I should be because I, no, I think I, yeah, I turned it off for something.

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Yeah.

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So you're sorry, dear listener, if you you're not gonna see the comments

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from cross apps because we'd changed it while I was showing the recordings.

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We turned, I turned that off in case somebody put something Tory up there.

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Okay.

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Your comments are gonna appear on the screen now as well.

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Okay.

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Small nuclear reactors, Joe.

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So the Dunton opposition declared its high time that Australia had

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an honest and informed debate on the benefits and costs of nuclear.

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Only two weeks ago, CS I R O found that wind and solar remains the cheapest source

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of electricity generation and storage in Australia, even when considering

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the additional infrastructure costs arising due to the variable output

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of renewables, such as the need.

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I don't realize is this is all nuclear anyway.

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cause wind and solar are driven by the sun, which is a nuclear reaction.

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Isn't everything then Joe.

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Yes, exactly.

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You're getting nuclear.

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That's a good point.

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You're just getting in the form of wind and sun.

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Yeah.

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And seen him.

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I know that I think he's in the chat room, there is dire straits is kind

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of keen on the small nuclear reactors.

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I think my brother was also cuz my brother reads the economist and a couple

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of other things like that, where they talked about small nuclear reactors.

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And so the C S I R O has only just two weeks ago done what is a very regular

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study on the costs of these things.

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And it's still a case that nuclear is incredibly expensive

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and, and basically unproven for these small nuclear facilities.

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That's the latest thing, anyone pushing Yeah.

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John says, don't get me started.

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That's right.

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Sorry, John people pushing these nuclear, they don't wanna full on big traditional

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nuclear power plant that you would think, you know, think Cher, noble, or think

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Japan, that there's this idea of these small modular ones that you can kind of

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almost making a factory and assemble on the site and do it quickly and cheaply.

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Anyway let me put up a chart, which will explain the costing well, the

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price of these different things.

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And, and as you're looking there, dear listener basically you'll see,

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let's see if I can get on a different one so I can read it more easily.

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So on the left, we've got different forms of gas, either gas Turbin

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small or large or gas reciprocating.

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Then we've got coal as the second section.

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So you see the gas is quite expensive coal, a bit cheaper.

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Then we've got black coal with CCS gas, with CCS, carbon catcher and storage.

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Ah, thank you.

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Solar of thermal.

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There's one there with a band that's very long, which means that

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there's a big potential price range from just under 150 to over 320.

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That's the nuclear small modular one where it's difficult to gauge what it would

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actually cost to generate electricity from nuclear, because nobody's really doing

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it in this so-called format in Australia.

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We haven't done it.

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So when we try to do something that we've never done before, guess what?

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You get a lot of cost over ones.

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And and on the right, the really cheap ones, solar vol photo VoLTE

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wind on shore and wind offshore.

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And then to the right of that, they have basically slightly increased the wind

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and solar, which you need to do to take into account the extra storage facilities

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you need and the extra lines that you need to move the electricity around the

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grid because renewables are not constant.

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So people say, oh yeah, solar and wind are cheap, but there's all

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this extra cost required because you need to pay for storage.

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Shifting it around the grid because it's windy in one place, but not in

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another, it's sunny in one place, but not in another well, they've done the

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calculations and they've factored that in and they end up with a thing called

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the levelized cost of electricity.

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And there's the C S I R O.

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And it is the total unit costs.

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A generator must recover to meet all of its costs, including

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a return on investment.

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And it's estimated on a common basis for all technologies with one exception.

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And that is, they beef it up for the renewables because they need to

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factor in that extra infrastructure.

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So what is the Dutton opposition doing?

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Thinking of nuclear?

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When we have the great option of wind and solar, it just

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doesn't make economic sense.

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Now, I don't know if I lived in the Northern hemisphere where maybe

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there's not as much sun or wind or the conditions might be different,

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but in Australia we've, let's face it.

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You've got a lot of sun and lots of wind in different places.

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And, and one of the big concerns in Europe was security

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around the nuclear facilities.

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Yes.

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And if you make them small and you stick them in suburbs, you've gone from.

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10 power stations around the country that you have to protect yep.

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To a thousand power stations around the country that you have to protect.

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Yep.

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And we've got Russia invading Ukraine, and there's a big issue at

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the moment with one of the nuclear power stations in the Ukraine.

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I think when they're talking about Gebel was, was it in the Ukraine

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or was it, or was it in be Reese?

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Is it Ukraine?

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Was it it's close?

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Wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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Well they invaded Bel and they were shelling it at one stage.

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Okay.

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They always big concern.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think there's another one as well.

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So that's the other risk, you know, sort of terror risk of terrorist attack.

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And that's the other risk of these small modular things besides the fact

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that nobody's ever actually built them.

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So I get a quiz for you, Joe, and in the chat room.

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Still in the coalition.

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Here's the question.

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Are you ready for it?

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Be listener Braman.

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Are you ready?

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This is from the chaser question.

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The coalition accused a Green's MP of acting inappropriately in parliament

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this week after he it's multiple choice, a bunked in the prayer room, B ranked

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on a desk C impregnated staffer, or D.

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Didn't wear a tie now, which one of those dear listener was

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the opposition outraged about?

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I'm gonna go with D correct.

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Joe he's greens candidate, because although they're hypocrites.

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Yep.

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That's the best that they can do the greens candidate didn't wear a tie and one

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of the opposition yelled out complaining.

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It was a breach of some standing orders, whatever.

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And I think the speaker said, well, actually there isn't a standing order

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that you have to wear a tie shock horror.

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Hmm.

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I was gonna say surely all the female members, the parliament of breach

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that , it was a standing order.

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I mean, the only time you wear a tie is you didn't wear one at a wedding or

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a funeral just when you go to court.

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I wear ties when I go to court, that's about it.

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When I moved over here and was interviewing for jobs, I got a phone call

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from one of the agencies who knew I was going in for an interview that day rang me

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up and said, don't forget to wear a shirt.

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I should.

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And I went seriously, I'm gonna wear a full fucking suit.

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Are you telling me that people turn up to job interviews

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without even a colored shirt on?

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And they went, yes.

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I was shocked by that.

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There you go.

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In the chat room, gentlemen, have you ever rocked up for a job interview?

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You know, your shirt that wasn't a collared shirt.

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That what we're saying?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Pretend a t-shirt or whatever.

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Have you, have you even been to an interview and nothing less than a

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yeah.

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I've even been so for a professional job.

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Yeah.

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I think I've only ever been for two interviews.

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So I, when I went for articles as an article Clark, I

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had to interview for that.

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Mm-hmm I don't even do, you know, I reckon, I don't think

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I even interviewed for it.

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These were the days when everybody, they, there was a shortage of lawyers.

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I think I just, I think I got it without an interview.

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I'm not exactly sure.

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Yeah.

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And then working at McDonald's didn't need to tie for that

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polo shirt.

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Yeah.

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John in the chat room on the truck driver.

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No ties here.

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Indeed.

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If you wore a tie, you would not get the job.

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Probably John you'd be overdressed.

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Like when you've gotta start deleting stuff from your CV

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when you're overqualified.

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Mm-hmm mm-hmm . Oh, it's so good.

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Not to have to deal with Scott Morrison on the news.

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I'll briefly mention an article that is in the show notes, which just talks

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about how in the dying days, the dying hours of that government, where there

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was the the SRE Lanka boat and the whole history of that government was not to

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comment on so called on water matters and they really wanted to get it out.

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There was a Sri Lanka boat, but of course, to release that

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information would be breaching.

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The thing that they had said was so important.

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So they pressured the public service to put out a press release

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in the public service said, no, they wouldn't do a press release.

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This is operation sovereign borders, but they would publish it on their

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website, which they did just before Morrison had his press conference.

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But it took a long time for the website to refresh and to actually publish

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it, even though it had been they'd done everything they needed to do.

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So he held a press conference when it hadn't actually been released yet

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officially and just a grubby government.

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Reaching their own rules for their own political purpose.

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And it's so good to see that.

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I don't believe that for a minute.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Thank God.

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They're gone.

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Paul Keating on the Morrison government.

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I don't think he had nothing to do with it.

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Mm.

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I think, yeah.

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Paul Keating said the point about the Morrison government

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is there was no point to it.

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Albert, easy government still allowing these goddamn

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stage three tax cuts come on.

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Well, you know, people planned around it.

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Yes.

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And there'd be too much uncertainty in the market if they didn't.

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Yeah.

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There's that Villa that they've got.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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Ah, let me get this one up on the screen de listener.

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They've looked at census data and they've looked at electorates in the

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federal election that were the rich electorates full of wealthy people and

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the poor electorates full of poor people.

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And the most striking finding was that the coalition, the Morrison government,

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as it was won, the 10 seats with the lowest household income at the federal.

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and these were all seats in regional Australia.

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So Morrison won poor regional voters.

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Does this sound familiar?

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Does this sound Trumpish to you, Joe?

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It was the rust belt that got him in wasn't it mm-hmm sounds very Trumpish.

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This is from an article in the poll blood jar, I think.

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And the guy says it validates his pre-election article in which he

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said that whites without a university education in regional areas would

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continue to move to the coalition.

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And labor won the selection owing to swings against the

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coalition in the cities, but no regional seat changed hands.

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And those that came closest to changing were all labor held.

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It's very interesting.

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So on the screen and it wasn't swings to label, was it no's right.

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Wings to greens and the tears.

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Yeah.

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And just looking at age groups here left hand column, the 65 year old

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electorates, or, you know, electorates with lots of old people actually.

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And then on the right electorates with young people, ones of the lung

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young people was all greens and labor.

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The old people were only two labor seats, the red ones there.

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So essentially if you were poor and elderly and regional, you

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are a classic coalition voter.

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If you are rich and elderly, you are a coalition or teal voter.

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And if you are young, you are likely to be labor or greens.

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Interesting.

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The way the whole demographic stuff, pans out.

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And it's frighteningly familiar to what seemed to be the case in America

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with the whole Trump scenario.

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That's worrying that that's the worrying thing about all that is how much we seem

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to have followed a bit of an American pattern, although they didn't have a

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third party to help them out there.

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That is one of our things I was, I was listening to another podcast today and

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it was just bemoaning how in America, you know, the Democrats are essentially

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just another right wing party.

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I mean, they're all in on this mm-hmm anti-China and all the rest of it.

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And because they don't have the preferential voting system, you

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know, they there's no scope.

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It seems for a third party to come through or an independent to come through, like.

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If you have watched the politics in the animal kingdom, mm-hmm, the, I

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think you've sent the link before, but I don't think I've actually okay.

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I don't think I've actually looked at it.

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He explains the, the first pass, the post and the other one and why

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that tends to two party systems.

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And even the, the system we've got here tends to two party systems.

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Yep.

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And it's, it's only proportional representation and I think

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single transferable vote that leads to a truly proportional.

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You don't get any major parties in the same way.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And that seems to be what happens in Europe.

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They seem to have coalitions of different parties.

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Mm-hmm more so than these, depending on where mm-hmm . Yep.

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Yep.

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UK currently trying to work out, who's gonna replace Boris,

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did you see that headline?

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Which one was that?

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Joe?

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Out, out of the lying man into the dire . Outta the lying man

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into the dire, what what's dire.

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So the, the choice of conservative politicians to take

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over the prime ministership.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Was, was saying they were going from the lying man into the dire.

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Right.

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Okay.

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And it looks like the female candidates probably gonna be the new party leader.

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It seems to be both of them.

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Very unimpressive.

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Yes.

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Mm.

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So I did see a couple of articles about her, but yeah.

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As in she was doing stuff and people going really, is this

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gonna be our new prime minister?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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And someone was commenting about, oh my God, how, how could we possibly

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have a woman prime minister forgetting that they've already had to yeah.

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Anyway, officially how does it work?

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So first of all, we had the conservative MPS

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narrowed it down to two.

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So to take part in a race, a Tori MP to be nominated by eight colleagues,

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once all the candidates have declared Tori MPS hold a series of votes until

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only two remain in the first round candidates must get 5% of the votes to

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stay in the running, which is 18 votes.

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In the second round, they must get 10%.

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Currently 36 MPS in the following rounds, the candidate with the

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least number of votes is eliminated until two candidates remain.

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So that's how they got to the position of the two.

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And when two MPS are left in the race party members, as opposed to the

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parliamentarians, get to make their final choice before a deadline set by

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the 1922 committee, whoever that is.

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So that's how we got to that point, right?

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It's a right wing leadership right.

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Committee of the conservative party.

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Yep.

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That's the official version on Twitter from Hugh problem.

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I'm seeing Rishi CAC defeated Liz trust.

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Oh, just come through.

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Did it.

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Well, this is four days ago.

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Oh, I didn't see that somebody else can Google that.

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That was the official version.

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Dear listener of how it's supposed to happen according to Hugh grant.

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Now, I don't know if this is the Hugh grant actor or a Hugh grant, somebody

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else, but anyway, Hugh hug ran on Twitter might be the hug grant, dear world.

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You may be wondering what happens next in terms of the British constitution.

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The answer is that three newspaper owners, all of whom are non domiciled

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in the UK for tax purposes, get together and choose our next prime minister.

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the queen then an annoys them.

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I think that is how it works.

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We didn't even get to mention, I don't think I've got to mention in

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Queensland the Queensland coal tax, mm.

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Before the state budget Queensland had a three tiered coal royalty regime where

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the government took 7% of sales revenue up to a hundred dollars, a ton 12 and

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a half percent of the value between a hundred and $150 a ton and 15% for any

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revenue generated above $150 a ton.

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And dear listener, there was a huge boom in the coal price.

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And the Queensland government changed the rate to be 20% for prices above

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$175, a ton, 30% above 225, $5 a ton and 40% when prices surpassed $300 a ton.

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And you know what, we haven't heard of peep about it because there

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was no discussion and not ability.

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It just, it was boom like that.

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And it's a demonstration that, you know, had they leaked had, they had

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some sort of announcement inquiry, the Murdoch papers would've been full

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of pressure and there would've been some campaign and there would be.

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Ring me about it, but it was basically not a whisper really of this going to happen.

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And then overnight, oh, by the way, this is what we're doing.

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And of course, a few within the industry in the next day or two were

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like, I'm not very happy about that.

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Don dusted, like a really good example that can do they pissy about PHE recently?

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What was that?

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Oh, the Murdoch rags have been particularly pissy about PHE.

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So, so maybe it was just vengeance for this, but they'd run out of ink.

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no.

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Oh, they're always, they're always on.

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I, whenever they get the chance Alison says the minerals

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council did an ad opposing it.

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Yeah.

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It was a pretty weak response overall, I think at the end of the day.

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So, yeah, I think it was just a good example of just by the bullet and do it.

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You, you can get things done.

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Did you hear that the FBI?

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Yes, I did ransacked Largo or, oh, well they searched Largo for evidence

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for the presumably the capital riots.

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Yep.

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Saw this on Twitter, apparently.

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No, it was about the improper handling of classified documents.

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Ah, this is to do with him flushing stuff down the toilets that he

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was accused of apparently, but no, apparently they, he, when he moved out

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of the white house, he took boxes and boxes of classified papers to Largo.

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Mm, okay.

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Yep.

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So on Fox news, they had a picture of Largo and the sort of banner

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underneath was, you know, it could have been FBI searches, Trump's home

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for evidence, but no, this was Fox.

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So they had Biden, FBI ransacks home of potential 2024 opponent.

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Just great.

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Well, what's wrong with her?

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Everything.

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Yeah.

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You know, he he went to France and he saw a, they put on a show, it

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was a commemoration of America's entry into one war or something, or

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helping out the allies during the war.

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And, you know, there was sort of military parades and planes flying

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overhead and Trump loved it.

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Just loved it, came back to America and said, I want this same thing.

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Give me a show like this.

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And the general in Washington.

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And the general said.

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Well, we can't, the tanks will just rip up the streets.

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Like the Bitman will be a mess.

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We can't have tanks running up and down the streets of

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Washington in a display like this.

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And besides it's not appropriate, like it's, it's dictators

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who haul out stuff like that.

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And mm-hmm he was winging and carrying the French.

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Yes.

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Dict dictates in the French.

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That's it?

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Well, they put it on a show for him just to keep him happy, right?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He's like, oh, we don't wanna do this, but Trump's here.

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We better roll out a few tanks.

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anyway, he was complaining about his generals and how they wouldn't do it.

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And he was complaining to his chief of staff Kelly, and he said so say from this

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article, this is from the new Yorker, by the way, do you listener like these

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articles are from all over the planet, the new Yorker, John Mandy blog verge, like

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honestly tonight's articles have probably been from about 20 different sources.

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If you remember, I said, get yourself an RSSV reader and subscribes to

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stuff and get some varied content.

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If you don't wanna do that, go onto the website.

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MFIs develop glove dot comu, and you'll see a link there for the newsletter.

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And essentially during the week, as I'm highlighting articles that

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may or may not get discussed on the podcast, they get put into this little

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basket and that will form part of.

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Email three times a week.

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So if you want something interesting to read like an advance reading of these

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articles you can just put your email address in there and you'll get it.

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Or you can just look at them on the website.

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It doesn't cost you anything.

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How could Sam, but I digress.

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So the generals wouldn't let him do it.

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So Trump says it turns out the generals had real standards and

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expertise, not blind loyalty.

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The president's loud complaint to John Kelly one day was typical.

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You fucking generals.

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Why can't you be like the German generals, which generals Kelly said the German

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generals in world war II, Trump responded.

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Kelly said, you do know that they tried to kill Hitler three

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times and almost pulled it off

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tempting.

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Right?

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I think I'm gonna have to get Paul labor back on this because we have to the voice

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I've been working my way through the report.

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Well, the recommendation, which is, ah, where is this thing?

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Let me just find it.

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This was this is the by.

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Oh, what's her name now?

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It's it's here.

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Let me just find Marsha Langton and Tom Keer.

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That's it.

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Thank you, Joan, which I think is 297 pages.

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So I'm working my way through it.

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And essentially I said to my wife, what do you think for this voice department?

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And she said, what voice department now?

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Admittedly, we've been on holidays and not reading stuff.

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I, I saw the proposed wording of the PLE site.

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Mm.

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Which didn't seem to odious.

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Mm.

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But it basically said there will be a voice to parliament.

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It'll be an advisory body and parliament will pass whatever laws of necessary.

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And it was basically devolving or power to parliament anyway, other

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than the fact that it existed and would be funded, I think.

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Yes.

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So, so to admit, as I was, as I've been working my way through this

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document my impressions are ultimately they're talking about this voice

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department would be 25 members.

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I think the total was eventually two from each state.

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And then there were five states that, well, maybe it was six

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states that would produce.

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A regional, a remote person.

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So, so five of the, it must be six of the states were producing a representative

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who had to be from a remote area.

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And certainly, sorry, it's of looking at the diagram you put in the show notes.

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Yeah.

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It's five states, but there are six additional members because Queensland

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gets one onshore and one offshore by the, ah, that would be the Torres Strait.

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So yeah, five states produce one and then I think the Torres Strait

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Islanders produced another remote person, something like that.

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So, yeah.

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And that would be the voice and the document is quite extensive in

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terms like you gotta, you have to say that on the face of it, there's

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obviously a lot of consultation has been done with all sorts of groups.

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And the question is probably first of all, well, how will these people

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be elected to represent, so say for Queensland, for example, there

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will be automatically two people.

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And then there'll be a third person who must be from a re a remote area.

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So three in total who is gonna vote from how they're gonna vote for 'em.

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And essentially is my reading so far is.

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That they've been really keen to make things flexible and leave it up to each

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district region group to sort of figure it out for themselves as much as possible

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as to how they would like to do it.

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So ideally from a grassroots perspective.

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So anyway, still working my way through it and and yeah, quite a long document and

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have to say obviously lots of consultation and and very much a determination to

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hear from people at the ground level.

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If you like as much as possible, that's probably all

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I'd have to say at this point.

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John in the chat room.

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Well, they all get chairs that spin around with a big red button for legislation.

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Didn't see that.

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Yeah, certainly as you read the, it'll be interesting to see if the

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question I have to look more carefully at the question, how are they

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gonna get John Farham to ate them?

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That's the question.

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Yeah, but he's retired doesn't anymore.

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His last tour.

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Okay.

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He's I'm sure he did his last tour or 10 times, so I don't think he sings anymore.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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I think that's all I need to say on that.

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Okay.

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What are we up to?

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Joe.

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It's only been two hours and 10 minutes.

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yeah.

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Small episode.

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It, it, it feels like it's at least two weeks as we've recorded an episode.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, dear listener, and if you're in the chat room, if you hung on in the

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chat room all this time, well done.

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It's dedication.

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It is.

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Yep.

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It's cuz there's no day late savings.

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They haven't had to go to bed.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's probably nothing on TV.

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All right.

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Well, I think that was a fair episode.

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I don't know, next week, I think I might, there's some sort of book type

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thing, something shorter and briefer.

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Maybe it won't be just what's happened in the previous week, cuz surely not

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much could happen in the next week.

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So, James says he got his money's worth.

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That's good, James.

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We don't have to worry about SHA going in the shark tank though.

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No, we don't have to.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So, all right, dear listener, thanks for tuning in.

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Talk to you next time and bye for now.

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You can say goodbye, Joe.

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