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Episode 413 - Curing Mondayitis
In this episode, we discuss:
(00:37) Intro
(02:38) Last week's Predictions
(09:01) Scomo Book Deal
(11:55) Trump Pushed Preachers
(18:36) Elections Everywhere
(21:29) Aussie Merch
(26:48) Question for Scott
(39:39) Houthis
(50:03) Proof of Climate Change
(59:39) Subs Need Crew
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Suburban Eastern Australia, an environment that has, over time,
Speaker:evolved some extraordinarily unique groups of homosapiens.
Speaker:But today, we observe a small tribe, akin to a group of meerkats, that
Speaker:gather together atop a small mound to watch, question, and discuss the
Speaker:current events of their city, their country, and their world at large.
Speaker:Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the
Speaker:Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:Yes, we're back.
Speaker:Special time, Monday night, eight o'clock, which will be the regular
Speaker:time for the foreseeable future, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove podcast.
Speaker:I'm Trevor, the Iron Fist, sitting on the fence in regional Queensland.
Speaker:Scott the Velvet Glove.
Speaker:How are you, Scott?
Speaker:I wouldn't expect that I'm on the fence.
Speaker:Anyway, yeah.
Speaker:Don't know.
Speaker:Your normal sort of velvety words, your sort of Seeing both sides and
Speaker:your gentle approach to things, at least one listener wasn't happy how
Speaker:that went in terms of Palestine.
Speaker:We'll get on to that.
Speaker:It's just one of those things, you can't be everything to all men.
Speaker:No, you can't.
Speaker:And coming in loud and clear, our UK correspondent, Joe, the tech guy.
Speaker:How are you, Joe?
Speaker:Morning all.
Speaker:Surviving the freezing weather here.
Speaker:Yeah, Joe was before we were recording.
Speaker:Complaining about the cold weather.
Speaker:We're sure there's plenty of hot, warm weather here in Queensland.
Speaker:Yeah, hella.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Very hot.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, there's a podcast where we talk about news and politics and sex and religion.
Speaker:And if you're in the chat room, say hello.
Speaker:Don't have anybody yet because it's 8 o'clock on a Monday night,
Speaker:I don't think anybody's used to it.
Speaker:So, we'll see how that pans out.
Speaker:who could be the first person to comment on a Monday night episode?
Speaker:You know, the opportunity is there for anybody who wants to take it.
Speaker:That doesn't include you, Joe.
Speaker:Now, what are we going to talk about?
Speaker:Well, we've got, I guess we're going to talk about some of the
Speaker:predictions we made last week.
Speaker:Scamo's got a book deal.
Speaker:I'll be watching out to buy that one.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:A bit about Trump.
Speaker:Lots of elections.
Speaker:Australian Day merchandise in Woolies.
Speaker:Scott was taken to task by a listener.
Speaker:He'll have a chance to defend himself.
Speaker:and everything you need to know about Houthi rebels and What they're
Speaker:up to, as well as climate change.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:That's on the agenda.
Speaker:See how we go.
Speaker:So, Scott, last week, I said, so I think we'll start to see, over the
Speaker:years, see people start to accept that capitalism, unrestrained capitalism,
Speaker:experiment, has some major problems.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Lo and behold, a few days later, in the Courier Mail of all places,
Speaker:I actually saw an article more or less saying the same thing.
Speaker:And, look, dear listener, for my sins, I do read the Courier Mail.
Speaker:Like, I don't read every article.
Speaker:I just read the headlines and get a chuckle out of most of them.
Speaker:But it is so crazily pro liberal, pro right wing, anti
Speaker:woke, it's just a caricature of a right wing rubbish rag now.
Speaker:It's laughable.
Speaker:Incidentally, I saw a thing on Twitter, I think it was Quentin Dempster, saying
Speaker:that I hear head reports from people that the Courier Mail was in such poor
Speaker:shape financially that it might go just to a digital version and not a paper,
Speaker:it'll be paperless in not too long.
Speaker:Perhaps when Rupert dies, Lachlan will just make it paperless.
Speaker:What do you think of that, Scott?
Speaker:I wish you wouldn't worry me.
Speaker:I don't buy it.
Speaker:It's one of those things I think up here in, up here in the regions, you're gonna
Speaker:have a hell of a lot of problems with that because people do love a newspaper.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:And you still, still do see people coming out of a, out of the,
Speaker:news agent and that sort of stuff with the, with the newspaper.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:It's one of those things, but you know, the readership's down and
Speaker:all that type of thing, they're just gonna have to accept it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I see.
Speaker:I see it's ideas repeated, like I've, you know, friends with Right Wing Tony
Speaker:Facebook posts are invariably just continuing on themes that have been rung
Speaker:in either the Courier Mail or Sky News.
Speaker:So It's still influential in that older demographic, who still have
Speaker:faith in newspapers, but I'm just hoping for an anti news takeover.
Speaker:Yeah, an anti news takeover.
Speaker:No, no, NT, the Northern Territory News.
Speaker:Oh, right.
Speaker:The headlines at least.
Speaker:Are you not aware of the NT News?
Speaker:Oh, is this like a play on words and it's always about a
Speaker:crocodile to try to eat somebody?
Speaker:Yes, basically.
Speaker:Oh, at least it'd be amusing then.
Speaker:Yeah, it's kind of like The Chaser, or, I don't know, something like that, yeah.
Speaker:Well no, it is actually serious news, but they always try
Speaker:and get a punny headline in.
Speaker:Yeah, look, anything could be better than The Courier Mail.
Speaker:It is a pathetically biased rag that is just in Yeah, when I read it, it's,
Speaker:it's I treat it as a work of fiction.
Speaker:Yeah, anyway, It's probably wise.
Speaker:In that paper, they don't really You know, like, the Australian always has,
Speaker:Phillip Adams writes in the magazine as their token left winger, who sort of
Speaker:gives a left wing version of his thoughts.
Speaker:But the Courier Mail has never really had anybody like that and just in their
Speaker:main comment page was an article by Paul Williams and he was saying that, for the
Speaker:first time ever the Australian Financial Complaints Authority has received more
Speaker:than 100, 000 complaints about banks and other financial institutions.
Speaker:that's a lot.
Speaker:100, 000 complaints about banks and financial institutions, and he
Speaker:says it feels like the 2018 Banking Royal Commission never occurred,
Speaker:let alone mattered, so he's pleased to see the Albanese government,
Speaker:I mean that's words you don't see too often in the Courier Mail.
Speaker:Quote, that's why I was pleased to see the Albanese government this
Speaker:week put supermarkets on notice to lower prices, and he says.
Speaker:I'm a long believer in private enterprise, but I'm now forced to ask a key question.
Speaker:Is our cost of living crisis, especially those parts fuelled by
Speaker:oligopolistic behemoths like banks, insurance companies and supermarket
Speaker:giants, born of a too lightly regulated and therefore overheated capitalist
Speaker:system, now burning the middle classes?
Speaker:If so, when did the fire begin?
Speaker:In the next paragraph he blames Thatcher, um, and Reagan and then,
Speaker:talks about foreign banks being admitted and, how it was a bit of
Speaker:a shame that some of our government owned corporations were sold off.
Speaker:So there we go.
Speaker:That prediction came through fairly quickly on that one.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Mmm.
Speaker:It wasn't very prescient, though.
Speaker:No, well, thanks, Joe.
Speaker:Actually I noticed you didn't mention Bob Hawke in there.
Speaker:Well, yeah, and Bob Hawke.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Actually, well, you know, the more I read about these things, the more
Speaker:that, sort of Hawke and Keating We're really just an early version
Speaker:of Tony Blair, and really performed, um, that function here in Australia.
Speaker:So they did some good things that had to be done, like floating the
Speaker:dollar, I guess, had to be done, and And stripping away, stripping away
Speaker:the tariff barriers and all that type of thing that had to be done too.
Speaker:Yeah, but as we've mentioned before, that the deal done with the unions, with
Speaker:wages, and all the rest of it, and selling off stuff was really, you know, took on
Speaker:a lot of the neo liberal sort of stuff, so, yeah, they, my admiration for the
Speaker:Hawke Keating government is a lot less than it was five years ago, I would say.
Speaker:You're right Scott, I left them off the list.
Speaker:I was just trying to paraphrase the article, but maybe I was just softballing
Speaker:Hawken Keating at the same time.
Speaker:Well spotted.
Speaker:No worries.
Speaker:Don't let me get away with anything.
Speaker:No, I won't let you get away with it.
Speaker:Um, Scamo.
Speaker:Haven't heard much about him lately.
Speaker:I cannot believe that he's got this book deal coming.
Speaker:You know, and the book titled Plans for Your Good, a Prime Minister's
Speaker:Testimony of God's Faithfulness.
Speaker:I mean, Jesus Christ.
Speaker:Literally.
Speaker:Literally.
Speaker:Yeah, I know, but And a foreword by Mike Pence.
Speaker:You know, it's one of those things, I cannot believe that he's, he's going
Speaker:to try and justify everything he did, Robodeath and everything else, he's
Speaker:going to try and justify that on God's teachings or something like that.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:According to this article While the book will deal with Mr Morrison's
Speaker:political career, the heavy focus will revolve around pastoral encouragement.
Speaker:He writes, quote, Scamo, In writing this book, what was important was
Speaker:not what I did, but what God did for me, how he sustained and encouraged
Speaker:me in good times and bad, from a miracle victory to a crushing defeat.
Speaker:And how his faithfulness over a lifetime had prepared me for these times.
Speaker:God's faithfulness.
Speaker:He's just a self-serving wanker, isn't he?
Speaker:I think you're referring to God's faithfulness over and how his
Speaker:faithfulness over a lifetime had prepared me for these times weren't, yes.
Speaker:Does God have faithfulness how God helped him?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, God helped him through the tough times.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And then slammed him with a crushing defeat.
Speaker:And he was prepared for this because of the previous experience with God.
Speaker:He was supported by God.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Sustained by God.
Speaker:Anyway, that's going to come out on May 21st.
Speaker:On my birthday too.
Speaker:Thanks very much.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Is that your birthday Scott?
Speaker:Yeah, 21st my birthday.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:I'll buy you that for a present.
Speaker:No, don't bother.
Speaker:It'll be very expensive toilet paper to use.
Speaker:I was going to say, it's a good cure for insomnia.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Meanwhile, still on the sort of political and religious connections,
Speaker:given the elections coming up in America, dear listener, I've rekindled
Speaker:my subscription to the New York Times.
Speaker:So, I've got an article from the New York Times.
Speaker:By the way, When I was, with these friends who were visiting from California,
Speaker:and we were discussing just different things, and this lady was talking about
Speaker:her husband as, you know, reading the New York Times, and it's of course
Speaker:so left wing, I said, do you realise that the New York Times has supported
Speaker:every war that America has entered?
Speaker:And she was surprised by that, she had no idea.
Speaker:From the New York Times.
Speaker:Tim Alberta's recent book about the Christian nationalist takeover
Speaker:of American evangelicalism.
Speaker:Evangelicalism.
Speaker:It's called The Kingdom, The Power and The Glory.
Speaker:It's full of preachers and activists on the religious right.
Speaker:Expressing sheepish second thoughts about their prostration before Donald Trump.
Speaker:And, in a nutshell, dear listener, what it's saying is that these pastors
Speaker:were told, Yeah, if you want Roe v.
Speaker:Wade overturned, we've got a whole bunch of, we can deliver that for you, but we've
Speaker:got a whole bunch of other stuff, and you have to help us get that through as well.
Speaker:It's all or nothing.
Speaker:So when you get your people to support us, um, there's going to be
Speaker:all this other stuff in terms of, you know, hardcore Republican policies.
Speaker:Anyway, the book is saying that the pastors are regretting entering into
Speaker:this bargain, this deal, and now they've kind of lost control of their flock.
Speaker:That people are not They're not identifying with churches as much and
Speaker:they're identifying with Trump and the pastors in various congregations feel
Speaker:that they've lost their connection with their flock and the flock now listens
Speaker:more to Trump than he does to the preachers and they're regretting that.
Speaker:That was something that was covered on the Friendly Atheist, a podcast
Speaker:that I listen to every week.
Speaker:That was, that was covered in their latest edition, which came out last Friday.
Speaker:Was that this book?
Speaker:Related to this book?
Speaker:No, it wasn't related to that book.
Speaker:It was related to what they're saying there.
Speaker:That the, the pastors and everything are regretting.
Speaker:They're telling their congregation to go out and vote for Trump
Speaker:because they've discovered that they're treating Trump like he's
Speaker:an idol, that they are worshipping him rather than worshipping God.
Speaker:So And even worse than that The money that used to go to the church is
Speaker:almost certainly going to Trump now.
Speaker:Trump now, exactly.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:The tithings are going to Trump.
Speaker:Yeah, that would be true too.
Speaker:Good point, Joe.
Speaker:That's what I really regret.
Speaker:Well, you know, you'd hope that their regret is more about the, faithlessness of
Speaker:Trump and that sort of stuff as opposed to their financial concerns, but I do believe
Speaker:that they, I believe that You know, I wouldn't be surprised at all with what Joe
Speaker:is saying, that the tithes are probably going to Trump more so than the church.
Speaker:The last paragraph of this article says, From this wreckage has emerged
Speaker:a version of evangelicalism that sometimes seems like a brand new
Speaker:religion, with Trump at the centre of it.
Speaker:As Ruth Graham and Charles Hermans reported in the New York Times,
Speaker:in Iowa, the percentage of people tied to a congregation fell by
Speaker:almost 13 percent from 2010 to 2020.
Speaker:Which was a sharp decline.
Speaker:As ties to church communities have weakened, the church leaders
Speaker:who once rallied the faithful behind causes and candidates
Speaker:have lost influence, they wrote.
Speaker:A new class of thought leaders has filled the gap.
Speaker:Social media personalities and podcasters.
Speaker:Once, once fringe prophetic preachers and politicians.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Prophetic preachers on the fringe and politicians, media personalities
Speaker:and podcasters, apparently.
Speaker:All.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, there we go.
Speaker:That's a take that I hadn't heard before.
Speaker:Was the preachers now regretting it because Ah, these people are now
Speaker:listening to Trump rather than them.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:But they got their way.
Speaker:They got Roe v.
Speaker:Wade overturned.
Speaker:They did.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, but the number of states that have actually imposed, the number of states
Speaker:that have actually imposed the ridiculous laws and that sort of stuff that says
Speaker:you can't abort after five weeks and that type of thing, that is actually down
Speaker:on what the original predictions were.
Speaker:It was, they were actually talking about everything south of the Mason
Speaker:Dixie line just going that way.
Speaker:But they haven't gone that way.
Speaker:You've got Florida, you've got Texas, and those larger states
Speaker:have actually enacted those laws.
Speaker:However, where you actually put abortion on a ballot measure, which was the case in
Speaker:a state whose name escapes me, It was very resoundingly defeated that it, they wanted
Speaker:the, that was then they, they had a change to the constitution that gave everyone
Speaker:the right to an abortion in that state.
Speaker:So I just think that, and you can also see the, the behavior of the
Speaker:Republicans who have very quickly altered their own personal websites
Speaker:and all that sort of stuff, calling for a, calling for the end of Roe v.
Speaker:Wade to ignoring it completely.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:It's just that it has backfired on them very badly.
Speaker:And if, and you can also see it in the words of Trump and that sort
Speaker:of stuff, he says that, you know, the abortion ban after six weeks is
Speaker:ridiculous because so many people don't realise they're pregnant.
Speaker:And then he also counters it by saying that, well, this
Speaker:is just what I've got to say.
Speaker:I've got to say this to get elected.
Speaker:So he's, trying to have both sides of the cake.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:So, so they got Roe v Wade overturned.
Speaker:How many states have actually taken advantage of that?
Speaker:Not as many as perhaps they hoped.
Speaker:Meanwhile, it's created a dysfunctional Republican Party.
Speaker:And it's meanwhile caused the preachers to lose power over their flocks.
Speaker:And so the evangelical preachers are stuffed.
Speaker:the laws haven't changed, you know, across the board.
Speaker:The Republican Party's stuffed.
Speaker:The only person who benefited out of the whole thing was Donald Trump.
Speaker:They got him elected.
Speaker:And he didn't care what happened with Roe v.
Speaker:Wade himself.
Speaker:He couldn't care less.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Jack H won the award for the first commenter on our Monday night 8pm
Speaker:edition, who's wrote, here in the chat room, unexpected notification.
Speaker:Good evening and thanks as always for the show.
Speaker:Thank you, Jack H.
Speaker:Oh, there's going to be a lot of elections this year.
Speaker:there was an article that's saying that over 4 billion people, half the
Speaker:world's population across 40 countries is going to be going to the polls
Speaker:this year, so it's not just the United States, but India, Indonesia, Russia.
Speaker:The UK.
Speaker:That Russian election will be Well, that'll be heavily rated.
Speaker:Worth watching.
Speaker:I wonder who's going to win that one.
Speaker:Oh, Vladimir Putin's going to win that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:United Kingdom.
Speaker:That'll be an interesting one as well.
Speaker:Surely the Tories are gone.
Speaker:Surely Keir Starmer and Joe, what's the feeling on the
Speaker:ground as our UK correspondent?
Speaker:What are people saying?
Speaker:they're not very impressed with Keir Starmer.
Speaker:I mean, there have been some by elections and Labor has One of those, but, um,
Speaker:I think people are just giving up.
Speaker:But they must be appalled with the Tories and think, doesn't matter how
Speaker:bad Labor is, they've got to vote.
Speaker:They cannot possibly I think if you had a compulsory ballot over there, you
Speaker:would get a Labor in in a landslide.
Speaker:But because you don't have a compulsory vote, I think a hell of people that
Speaker:are saying, well, I can't vote for the Tories, but I don't really love the
Speaker:Labor Party, I'm going to stay home.
Speaker:The hope is, that my friend was expressing the other day, they're hoping for a
Speaker:hung parliament, that the LDP actually get the balance of power, and that they
Speaker:introduce proportional representation.
Speaker:Which will at least break the two party block that there is at the moment.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Because they've got First Past the Post, and they've got three parties.
Speaker:And so, basically, if you vote LDP, they'll never get in.
Speaker:You're just wasting your vote.
Speaker:Ah, so preferential voting rather than proportional, is it?
Speaker:No.
Speaker:No, they want proportional.
Speaker:No, they want proportional voting.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:The same way you have in Europe, where you have a You've got the
Speaker:Parliament and that sort of stuff being made up by the percentages
Speaker:of the votes that you've garnered.
Speaker:Yeah, which is what we were talking about last week, which would
Speaker:be great, but gee, could you, well, would Labor agree to that?
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:yeah, I mean, so, LDP gave up on it last time, because they were in a power
Speaker:sharing agreement with the Tories.
Speaker:so, the question is, do they have the balls to push for it
Speaker:and refuse to join an alliance?
Speaker:Mm.
Speaker:a power sharing agreement until they get that Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:Because obviously both labor and the conservatives don't want it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It's so hard to change those sorts of things.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm mm.
Speaker:In the chat room, Matthew, John and Don have all joined in as well.
Speaker:Thanks guys for your comments.
Speaker:Don says the Russian election will be as fair and transparent as
Speaker:the last Saddam Hussein election.
Speaker:Scott, did you go out to Woolies?
Speaker:Oh, well, did you go out and buy some Australia Day?
Speaker:No, I don't.
Speaker:I don't buy any merchandise or anything like that because, one, I think that,
Speaker:the 26th of January should be celebrated only in New South Wales because it was
Speaker:the foundation of the New South Wales colony, not Australia, and I think to
Speaker:myself also that the Indigenous people have got a very good point about that.
Speaker:I do not want to call it Invasion Day, but I think they're right.
Speaker:It was Celebration of Invasion, so I think to myself that we've got to
Speaker:find a new date for a celebration for the, the, the date of Australia.
Speaker:So God knows what date you're going to choose.
Speaker:I would I pick Rum Rebellion.
Speaker:No, you can do that.
Speaker:What date's that?
Speaker:26th of January.
Speaker:No, but I think that, I don't know, as one of the things I think we could
Speaker:do to actually show their Indigenous brethren that we understand and that
Speaker:sort of stuff, we could actually have the date of Australia Day being the
Speaker:anniversary of the 1967 referendum that counted them as Australians.
Speaker:I think that would actually go some way of actually saying, look,
Speaker:Do you know what date that was?
Speaker:No, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker:But anyway, I just think to myself, if we could just, if we could just resurrect
Speaker:that date and call that a, if we could call that Australia Day, then that
Speaker:would go some way to smoothing relations between us and the Indigenous people.
Speaker:Yeah, you're going to have, you're going to have all these dickheads like.
Speaker:What's his name?
Speaker:What's the leader of the Opposition's name?
Speaker:Dutton.
Speaker:Dutton, yeah.
Speaker:Dutton and all that sort of stuff is going to come down like a ton of bricks.
Speaker:He's going to say, this is ridiculous, you know, you can't
Speaker:just upend hundreds of years of history and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:I think to myself, yes you can.
Speaker:You know, it's just a date.
Speaker:Yeah, it's just a date.
Speaker:I think we've discussed this for several years, Scott.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:The referendum was the 27th of May, by the way.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Here's my thoughts.
Speaker:Well, the other problem was people were thinking, You know, maybe the
Speaker:Constitution, but that was on the 1st of January, 1901, that's not a great date.
Speaker:I reckon, I don't care, provided it's in the second half of the year, because
Speaker:there's way too many public holidays.
Speaker:In the first, right.
Speaker:Way too many public holidays in the beginning of the year, and we
Speaker:need more at the end of the year.
Speaker:So, yeah, hard to find a good date.
Speaker:So, Watley's joined us in the chat room as well, so.
Speaker:yeah, John says, how about Federation Day, from 1900.
Speaker:Yeah, John, I think it was the 1st of January, 1901.
Speaker:It was, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, so, already enough holidays around that time.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:Yeah, anyway.
Speaker:But this whole thing of Peter Dutton, he's basically said that, well, major
Speaker:retailers Woolworths and Big W, Big W, decided not to stock Australia Day
Speaker:merchandise this year due to a gradual decline in community demand, and Peter
Speaker:Dutton has called on Australians to boycott Woolworths over the decision.
Speaker:And experts say the decision would have been made due to community
Speaker:concern or reputational risk.
Speaker:they're into culture wars, aren't they?
Speaker:Yeah, I know, he wants to, he wants to provoke a culture war.
Speaker:And it's just, I don't understand what planet he's on.
Speaker:Because he's saying that, you know, you should have people go out to IGA and Audi.
Speaker:Audi's a German owned company, which has already said that they're not going
Speaker:to stock Australia Day merchandise.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, so he's a fucking idiot.
Speaker:He is.
Speaker:Like, it's not as if there's another retailer saying, yeah,
Speaker:we're the king of, of Australian A merchandise coming by from us.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I don't even think that, I don't even think it's available in Coles, is it?
Speaker:I don't think so.
Speaker:Support your local dollar shop.
Speaker:They'll have plenty.
Speaker:Yeah, you just go into a dollar shop and that's the stuff you can buy.
Speaker:You know, it's one of those things, I hate the flag anyway, so, you know.
Speaker:Yeah, but, you know, this, this desire of Dutton and his colleagues to be
Speaker:so jingoistic on cultural issues like this sort of stuff, rather than
Speaker:figuring out the important things.
Speaker:They're pathetic.
Speaker:They're such a pathetic bunch, the Liberals and their opposition.
Speaker:Yeah, it is.
Speaker:yeah.
Speaker:And, and, you know, they, they're sort of moving away from the party
Speaker:of free enterprise, if you like, and, and moving away from the party of big
Speaker:business to somehow the party of the battler and the small business person.
Speaker:In their rhetoric is, is where they're sort of heading with things.
Speaker:So, mm-Hmm.
Speaker:I dunno if they've got any idea.
Speaker:You wonder if the paid for dinners, they're saying to their
Speaker:big business sponsors, Hey, don't listen to what we say in public.
Speaker:That's all we say to get elected.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Watch what we do instead.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway, that's Peter Dutton merchandise Australia Day, Scott.
Speaker:Email came through from Andrew.
Speaker:Do you want me to read it out?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:hi podcast peeps, and a happy new year to you, to you folk too.
Speaker:After listening to the Welcome Back episode, I'm confused by Scott quoting
Speaker:militant Palestinians and ignoring similar things said by militant Israelis.
Speaker:Is that fair?
Speaker:Then, decades later, a more noisy Andrew Decades later, SBS documentary,
Speaker:oh sorry, as a boy I grew up watching Arafat lead PLO hijack planes and
Speaker:do all sorts of horrible things.
Speaker:Clearly he and they were evil.
Speaker:Then decades later, a more aged noisy Andrew watched the an SBS
Speaker:documentary on Arafat circa 1980s.
Speaker:Suddenly the penny dropped.
Speaker:People don't do this shit simply because they're evil.
Speaker:They do it because they feel they've exhausted all other options
Speaker:and are tired of being screwed.
Speaker:How has Scott not worked this out yet?
Speaker:Seriously, Scott, time to call a spade a spade.
Speaker:Yours in curiosity, Andrew.
Speaker:I don't recall what I said about the militant Palestinians, so I'll
Speaker:have to go back and listen to that.
Speaker:Ignoring things said by militant Israelis.
Speaker:I think you were talking about, you know, well, the Palestinians
Speaker:threatened to wipe Israel off the map.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so what's Israel to do?
Speaker:And I think noisy Andrew is saying, what about the rhetoric from the
Speaker:Israelis and others threatening to wipe Palestinians off the map?
Speaker:Like for every bad statement by a Palestinian, you could find a
Speaker:bad statement from an Israeli.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:It's It's one of those things you're never going to get a, you're never get
Speaker:a, you are never gonna get a balanced view of the area because it's a, as I've
Speaker:said numerous, numerous times before, a terrible mistake was made in 1947 mm-Hmm.
Speaker:It was a reprehensible thing that the international community did, where
Speaker:they just took a country that hadn't existed for 2000 years and recreated it.
Speaker:It's a.
Speaker:Terrible, terrible thing that was done.
Speaker:However, it has been done.
Speaker:so what do I think the Palestinians should do about it?
Speaker:Well, for starters, I don't believe they should go into Israel and pinch people
Speaker:that were just attending a music festival.
Speaker:Which is what most of those hostages were taken from, they
Speaker:were taken from a music festival.
Speaker:Now, did I ever think, uh, Arafat was evil or anything like that?
Speaker:No, I don't.
Speaker:Because he was actually involved in the negotiations with, was it Rabin?
Speaker:He was the one that was behind the Oslo Accords.
Speaker:Don't know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:He was actually involved in that sort of negotiation, which I don't
Speaker:think is an evil thing to do.
Speaker:It was a person that was trying to do something for
Speaker:the betterment of his people.
Speaker:So I don't believe he was ever evil.
Speaker:do I believe that Hannes was evil?
Speaker:I don't think you could categorize an attack on a music festival
Speaker:any other way, except being evil.
Speaker:Because clearly they weren't actually, they weren't even
Speaker:soldiers or anything else.
Speaker:Now, yes, because Israel does have compulsory military service, you could
Speaker:possibly claim that everyone over there is a soldier, or was a soldier,
Speaker:so they are legitimate targets.
Speaker:But, I think to myself, if you've actually gone in there and you're actually going
Speaker:to pinch people You don't steal people from a music festival, because that
Speaker:was something that was clearly evil, where you actually attach something.
Speaker:So, what should the Palestinians do?
Speaker:I believe they should have stuck with Fatah, because Fatah is actually
Speaker:negotiating with the Israeli government.
Speaker:Now, had they have actually stuck with Fatah, had they have stayed on
Speaker:the negotiation table and all that sort of stuff, as they got ignored and
Speaker:that type of thing, they could always point to what they were ignored by
Speaker:the Israelis and that type of thing.
Speaker:They could go to them and actually say, look at what has been ignored.
Speaker:We have asked for this.
Speaker:It's been ignored.
Speaker:And then it could actually make it over and over and over again until
Speaker:eventually the rest of the world turns around to Israel and say, I think
Speaker:the Palestinians have got a point.
Speaker:You better actually do something about it.
Speaker:Would the rest of the world ever do that?
Speaker:I mean, we've got over 20, 000 people killed and it's happening now.
Speaker:Continuously.
Speaker:You hear nothing about it now.
Speaker:It's old news.
Speaker:I know, it's one of those things.
Speaker:They're whinging about not getting what they want.
Speaker:Would never have raised anything on the world stage.
Speaker:Well, what has actually pinching 1, 200 people done for them?
Speaker:It's got their, it's got this population bombed day and night by Israel.
Speaker:It's got a lot of the world saying Israel is a, is an apartheid
Speaker:state committing genocide.
Speaker:That is basically from the global south rather than the north.
Speaker:Yeah, but probably as a result of what's happened, the enormous shift of
Speaker:opinion by perhaps billions of people.
Speaker:against Israel.
Speaker:But, did they actually do it properly?
Speaker:Did Hamas do it properly?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Well, what noisy Andrew is getting to though Yeah, I know
Speaker:what noisy Andrew is getting to.
Speaker:For every time you say, oh the Israelis, did what they did because the
Speaker:Palestinians threatened to You know, to blast them off the face of the earth.
Speaker:Well, he's just saying, well, the Israelis And have tried a number of times.
Speaker:Yeah, I guess if you're going to say that, it's like, we'll talk a little
Speaker:bit later about how, with the Houthis, and every article about the Houthis is
Speaker:littered with the Iranian backed Houthis.
Speaker:When references are made to Israel, it's never the American backed Israelis.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:It's just that, Alright, you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker:I don't think Andrew and I are ever going to agree.
Speaker:But, you know, I'll ask Andrew exactly the same question
Speaker:I've asked you before, Trevor.
Speaker:Do you honestly believe that if the PLO were as well armed as the IDF,
Speaker:that they would show the same level of restraint that the IDF has shown?
Speaker:Or, do you honestly believe, or do you believe as I do, that if they were
Speaker:as well armed, that they would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea?
Speaker:Do you think, do you think Israel has shown a level of restraint?
Speaker:Oh yeah, they have, they have shown a level of restraint up until now.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Have they?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The apartheid state they were running Yeah, I know, that is The running people
Speaker:off their properties in the West Bank And that is the Israeli government
Speaker:that is doing that, not the IDF.
Speaker:The IDF has shown a level of restraint.
Speaker:They have not blasted everything off the face of the earth like
Speaker:it was originally suggested.
Speaker:They have taken out In Gaza?
Speaker:Oh, in Gaza.
Speaker:Gaza is a different story.
Speaker:They are levelling that.
Speaker:There is no doubt about that.
Speaker:But So based on the evidence in front of us, it's hard to say that Israel is acting
Speaker:with restraint against the Palestinians.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Fair enough.
Speaker:I don't know that the Palestinians could have been any How could they be any worse?
Speaker:Because Israel is literally wiping these people off the f
Speaker:They're committing genocide.
Speaker:Yeah, okay, they are committing genocide.
Speaker:But I'm not, I'm not actually supporting Israel or anything like that.
Speaker:I'm just simply saying that, you know, I don't, I don't accept
Speaker:his argument that say that, um, they've exhausted all other options.
Speaker:And they're tired of being screwed.
Speaker:I don't accept that because they have ignored the path that FATA
Speaker:has taken, which is to remain at the negotiation table with Israel.
Speaker:They've ignored that.
Speaker:And Hamas has decided to back terrorist activities as opposed to negotiations.
Speaker:I think what Noisy Andrew and others would be saying is that, um, that Israel has
Speaker:made statements equally as bad as Hamas.
Speaker:Palestinians have made and Israel has acted equally as bad as you could possibly
Speaker:imagine the Palestinians might have acted had they had military superiority.
Speaker:So the just people are saying, don't paint any picture that puts the Israelis
Speaker:in a slightly advantageous moral position because they haven't earned it.
Speaker:I think what people are saying is Is treat them as equally as bad
Speaker:as each other, stop saying that the Israelis were slightly better.
Speaker:I think that's what people are saying.
Speaker:I might be wrong, and I'm sure Noisy Andrew will email
Speaker:us again during the week.
Speaker:But I think that's the general thing is Is that the West tries to paint a picture
Speaker:of Israelis having some restraint and not being as bad as the Palestinians.
Speaker:We've probably reached the point where we could say, I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker:Yeah, I can accept that.
Speaker:You know, it's Prior to this Gaza thing, I think that they did X ray it.
Speaker:It did show a level of restraint.
Speaker:Now, yes, you could argue that, kids throwing rocks and that sort of stuff
Speaker:at tanks shouldn't result in live fire and that type of thing, but
Speaker:it did, it did result in live fire.
Speaker:So that was possibly not as good a level of restraint as they had shown previously.
Speaker:And, you know, also, I watched a movie on What's her name?
Speaker:The Israeli Prime Minister, the first woman Israeli Prime Minister.
Speaker:Golda Meir.
Speaker:Yeah, Golda Meir.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that was really good.
Speaker:And who produced the movie?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:It was on Netflix.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:It was in English, so I couldn't tell you.
Speaker:Anyway, it's, the whole thing that came out about that at the end
Speaker:of it all was Egypt actually went to them and said, look, we will
Speaker:recognize Israel as a country.
Speaker:We will recognize your right to exist.
Speaker:Egypt did the right thing.
Speaker:They got their ass kicked in the 1967 war, and then they turned around and said,
Speaker:Okay, we will accept you have a right to exist, and we will negotiate with you.
Speaker:So, that was a good thing.
Speaker:Israel has behaved appallingly badly by seizing land that
Speaker:belongs to the Palestinians and building settlements on them.
Speaker:That is wrong.
Speaker:It shouldn't happen.
Speaker:But it is happening.
Speaker:So, you've just got to move on from that.
Speaker:It's one of those things.
Speaker:do I actually agree that, Well, I'll ask Andrew this.
Speaker:Would he actually agree to carving off a section of Northwestern
Speaker:Australia and calling it Israel?
Speaker:Having them bring, having them bring over the Israelis and that sort
Speaker:of stuff over here and call them a state of Australia called Israel?
Speaker:The only thing we'd have to do is we'd have to become a bilingual
Speaker:country in Hebrew and English.
Speaker:I've got no problem with that.
Speaker:Oh, jeez.
Speaker:No, I would have absolutely no problem.
Speaker:That's such a fanciful concept now that it's hard to Yeah,
Speaker:it's one of those things.
Speaker:It's just It is possible, though, that, you know, you could If you
Speaker:could pack up Israel and move it down here, then you'd have the A whole
Speaker:problem would disappear overnight.
Speaker:Because the Israelis would live down here, the Palestinians would live back there.
Speaker:Yeah, but no they wouldn't, because Jerusalem is the Promised Land.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:A holy city.
Speaker:I think the only fix is to nuke Jerusalem so that it's completely
Speaker:uninhabitable by anybody, and then they'll stop fighting over it.
Speaker:They'll still fight over it.
Speaker:Yeah, I don't think it's relevant if you nuke it, because, you know, it's
Speaker:like, like Trevor just said, it's religious, and it's also, you know, one
Speaker:of them was, the Arab, the Muslims were the Children of, what was his name,
Speaker:Ishmael and the Jews were the children of Abraham.
Speaker:So you've got, you know, you've got these, they're brothers for Christ's sake.
Speaker:You know, they ought to be able to put aside their whole bloody
Speaker:difficulties, but they're never going to.
Speaker:Alright, well you've addressed the email, Scott, we'll see what Andrew
Speaker:says in response during the week.
Speaker:Yeah, I know, he's going to come back with something else.
Speaker:Right, I had something from Caitlin Johnson along these lines, she wrote,
Speaker:In the mind of the Empire simp, he's short for sympathiser, the violence
Speaker:of the Empire's enemies always comes completely out of nowhere, without
Speaker:provocation and for no reason.
Speaker:Ansarala, that's the, who's this?
Speaker:Started attacking ships in the Red Sea because they're pirates
Speaker:who hate freedom of navigation.
Speaker:Hamas attacked Israel because they're evil and hate Jews.
Speaker:Putin invaded Ukraine because he's evil and hates democracy.
Speaker:Grown adults betray the enemies of the empire the same way the children's cartoon
Speaker:show Captain Planet betrayed its villains.
Speaker:Cackling evilly about how they're going to dump toxic waste into the ocean for no
Speaker:reason other than to hurt the environment.
Speaker:So, just making the point, but there's always Some context behind these things,
Speaker:that these people are doing stuff.
Speaker:I just wonder when she became an Islamist apologist.
Speaker:Ah, I think, ah, she's always been an anti US empire, so that's where she's
Speaker:But, but she's, but she's supporting some Islamists who believe in a
Speaker:caliphate, a worldwide caliphate.
Speaker:Which ones are those?
Speaker:the Houthis.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So, so they're very much aligned with Islamic State.
Speaker:I'd be concerned about My reading of the Houthis is that they're pretty much a
Speaker:group of people wanting to regain control of Yemen, the country where they live.
Speaker:And ousted in one version is they ousted a dictator, who was corrupt
Speaker:and installed by the US and others.
Speaker:Basically, you know, one man's terrorist, Joe, is another man's freedom fighter.
Speaker:Isn't that always the case?
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:But, the, the, the Mujahideen, who then became, um, God, who is it in
Speaker:Afghanistan, but the Taliban, they, the Taliban, they were replacing
Speaker:a corrupt puppet government with a beautifully, um, Islamic, uncorruptible,
Speaker:because they follow the world of God.
Speaker:So the question is sure they're pushing out bad people, but are
Speaker:they replacing them with good people or just another set of bad people?
Speaker:Well, at least they're the people who live in the country, trying to gain
Speaker:control, Well, some of them anyway.
Speaker:Again, I think that, attacking, shipping and that sort of stuff on the Red Sea
Speaker:doesn't do them any favours, does it?
Speaker:No, but, I mean, who hasn't attacked a ship on the Red Sea
Speaker:and confiscated a law taker?
Speaker:I can understand them throwing rockets at Israel and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker:I can understand it.
Speaker:I don't agree with it, but I understand it.
Speaker:It's one of those things if they, if if they, if they, if they held their
Speaker:contempt just for Israel, then I, then I would be more on their side.
Speaker:But they're actually attacking.
Speaker:Shipping, which is, yeah, well, it's only ships going to Israel or, or their, um,
Speaker:ships that are, are owned by somebody who once met an Israeli at a dinner party,
Speaker:, or, or ships owned by Israelis, but they're basically only attacking ships.
Speaker:So actually lot of ships.
Speaker:A lot of the ships are, going to great lengths to show their Chinese connections.
Speaker:Because they know that they'll be safe then.
Speaker:Well, they know that the Chinese Navy are sending a flotilla down there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that the Hooties won't dare attack anything that's got a flotilla there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, you know, if you support an ally, you're allowed to bomb other people.
Speaker:And, with all their ships.
Speaker:That's just par for the course.
Speaker:Who amongst us hasn't done that?
Speaker:You know, if you support an ally, so you just bomb another country.
Speaker:That's just what you're doing.
Speaker:Or their ships.
Speaker:Need for a start.
Speaker:Yeah, but our country In terms of countries Yeah, but
Speaker:our country has done that.
Speaker:Yeah, in terms of countries, name a country that hasn't done that.
Speaker:Well, John Simmons is just saying, no, Trevor, they're
Speaker:attacking ships indiscriminately.
Speaker:No, that's not the case.
Speaker:They're attacking ships that have got some Israeli connection.
Speaker:That's what they're attacking.
Speaker:Well, they've also Because they hate the Israelis and they hate the Jews, but
Speaker:they're not attacking indiscriminately.
Speaker:But, and what did, you know, so the US and the UK, with Australian help and
Speaker:others, and what our help was exactly?
Speaker:We don't know!
Speaker:Because our Defence Minister, Richard Marles, won't tell us, but we have
Speaker:provided some sort of operational support, because, um, the US and
Speaker:the UK, Lobsom bombs on the, Yemen.
Speaker:No doubt killing hundreds, well, no doubt killing innocent people along the way.
Speaker:I mean, there might be precision bombing.
Speaker:Just bombing Yemen now.
Speaker:So, in addition to all the other countries that get bombed, let's
Speaker:just add another one to the list.
Speaker:I mean, the U.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:just confiscated an Iranian oil tanker that was in the
Speaker:Red Sea, heading to Venezuela.
Speaker:Just took the, took the ship.
Speaker:Because the U.
Speaker:S.
Speaker:had a sanction against Venezuela, nobody else did, but that was okay.
Speaker:Like, just grab the ship, take it, you can do these things.
Speaker:It's such a double standard.
Speaker:Like, okay, well, it's not great.
Speaker:Of course it's not good, speed bump.
Speaker:Attacking, shipping, the shipping lines.
Speaker:When we do it, it's okay.
Speaker:Or when our ally does it, it's okay.
Speaker:This is the hypocrisy of this shit.
Speaker:That is so annoying.
Speaker:It's the double standard.
Speaker:It's the inconsistency of, of the moral position.
Speaker:If it's good for one, it's got to be good for another.
Speaker:I don't think that, we would be on the side of the Yanks just pinching that oil.
Speaker:Because the oil was going from Tehran to Venezuela.
Speaker:Which I don't believe Australia would actually be saying, yes,
Speaker:the Yanks can do that, so yeah.
Speaker:We didn't condemn it.
Speaker:They got away with it.
Speaker:Did we kill the people on board?
Speaker:Did we send the ship to the bottom of the ocean?
Speaker:Or did the Americans, rather?
Speaker:I don't know, I don't think so.
Speaker:Or did they take the offer and fuck off?
Speaker:I think they just confiscated the entire ship.
Speaker:Oh, they probably just told the crew to fuck off, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, so, you know, it's It's the double standard, is the point I'm making.
Speaker:So, what have we got here?
Speaker:John Simmons wrote, sorry Trevor, I've done a lot of reading on this one.
Speaker:They start on just Israeli ships but they only make up less than 2
Speaker:percent of the ships going through.
Speaker:Yeah, of course they, well, Israeli ships would make up less than 2%, I would
Speaker:have thought, of ships going through.
Speaker:But, the, who are you reading from?
Speaker:John that says that they're attacking other ships other
Speaker:than Israeli connected ships.
Speaker:That would be my question to you.
Speaker:Let me just see, I've got a, got a video here from a guy, and
Speaker:let me just bring this one up.
Speaker:And before I do, let me just say, Uh, this is a guy called Andrew Fisher.
Speaker:He's an English political advisor and researcher and writer and trade
Speaker:unionist and he served as Director of Policy for the UK Labor Party under
Speaker:Leader Jeremy Corbyn back in the day.
Speaker:So, here's what he had to say.
Speaker:Highlights is the extreme double standards.
Speaker:Here we are, the Houthis have been attacking shipping lanes.
Speaker:no deaths so far, thankfully.
Speaker:Israel's been bombarding Gaza for the last three months, tens of thousands of people
Speaker:died, children being amputated without anaesthetic, and that's fine, no sanctions
Speaker:on Israel, no strikes against them, no arms embargo, but the Houthis rebel,
Speaker:and that's, it's because we don't care about international law or human rights.
Speaker:We have this rhetoric that we do, but we don't.
Speaker:This is absolute nonsense, and this whole conflict is exposing that.
Speaker:We say that, you know.
Speaker:The Iran backed Houthi rebels, well, they've been bombed by the US and UK
Speaker:backed Saudi Arabia for the last 10 years, you know, actually, the last
Speaker:Labour, administration was calling for sanctions on Saudi Arabia over this for,
Speaker:an arms embargo, Hillary Bend, you know, somebody who's serving under Kirstein
Speaker:was leading this within the last shadow cabinet, so, you know, we talk about
Speaker:this in completely bizarre ways that spins it into this sort of thing of one
Speaker:side is bad and the other side's I mean, we've got a case in the International
Speaker:Court of Justice today brought by South Africa against Israel for genocide.
Speaker:We're not talking about that, we're talking about some
Speaker:interruption to shipping lanes.
Speaker:I mean, it's pretty small scale stuff when tens of thousands
Speaker:of people are being killed.
Speaker:And, you know, I don't care what adjective you call it, whether you call it a
Speaker:massacre, a slaughter, ethnic cleansing, genocide, it doesn't really much matter.
Speaker:Tens of thousands of people are being killed, and we're not talking about that,
Speaker:we're talking about some shipping lanes.
Speaker:It's, it's perverse, really, and the rest of the world can see it.
Speaker:Well, there we go.
Speaker:That's one opinion.
Speaker:Well, it's not just shipping lanes, is it?
Speaker:It's a huge impact and a huge cost on global financial markets.
Speaker:It is?
Speaker:Slaughtering Palestinian civilians doesn't cause the cost of
Speaker:your shit from China to go up.
Speaker:Whereas attacking shipping in Because ships now have to go around the
Speaker:Cape Horn, and it costs more for my My staff and tens of thousands of
Speaker:Palestinians are getting slaughtered and that's not the important issue.
Speaker:That has no impact on costs.
Speaker:Yes, exactly, that doesn't affect me.
Speaker:That's the point he's making.
Speaker:You know, valid point.
Speaker:Yeah, but what he's saying is it's an insignificant thing to
Speaker:attack shipping in the Red Sea.
Speaker:And it isn't an insignificant thing.
Speaker:It's costing people money and when people lose money they
Speaker:tend to get shitty about it.
Speaker:Yes, because it affects them.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But, you know, he's saying there's an ongoing genocide happening.
Speaker:And we've forgotten about it, and we're talking about shipping.
Speaker:So, you know, we
Speaker:Oh, Trevor's just seized up.
Speaker:Hello, Trevor.
Speaker:We'll have to take over instead.
Speaker:It's our show now.
Speaker:Right, well, this is something, dear listener, that we were supposed to
Speaker:cover last week, but we didn't get to.
Speaker:Australia's changed climate, the Bureau's yearly reminder.
Speaker:Have you seen this, Joe?
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, I saw that one.
Speaker:Yeah, and what scared the shit out of me was that What?
Speaker:graph.
Speaker:Hang on, I've lost it.
Speaker:Yeah, we couldn't hear you there for a minute, but anyway, you're back now.
Speaker:We can hear you, but we can't see you.
Speaker:Anyway, he's gone again.
Speaker:What scared the shit out of me was the annual mean temperature anomaly.
Speaker:I'm, I'm back.
Speaker:Okay, sorry.
Speaker:We had a blackout, suddenly the power went out.
Speaker:Right, fair enough.
Speaker:did you want to finish what you were saying before we move on to this, Oh, I've
Speaker:lost track of where I was in my rant, but, I shall continue on this, whole thing.
Speaker:The annual mean temperature anomaly.
Speaker:what scared the living daylights out of me was how quickly it
Speaker:stopped having any blue on it.
Speaker:And then this has gone virtually all to red.
Speaker:And this happened in around about 1975, thereabouts, was the
Speaker:first significant red increase.
Speaker:And then you had a dip in it in the 70s and then 80s, and since then it's
Speaker:been significantly higher every year.
Speaker:Now, this is the annual mean minute AK.
Speaker:A positive anomaly indicates measured temperatures was warmer than the baseline.
Speaker:A negative anomaly indicates the observed temperature was cooler than the baseline.
Speaker:The BOM graph shows cooling trend up to the late 70s and then a
Speaker:warming trend from the mid 80s.
Speaker:Now, the baseline was between 1960 and 1990.
Speaker:And ever since then, we've shown a significant increase
Speaker:in our observed temperatures.
Speaker:So, that's sca Okay, there's the, there's the graph there.
Speaker:That scared the living shit out of me, because it was a hell of a lot hotter than
Speaker:what it has been throughout our history.
Speaker:Now, 1910 was when it started, 2020 was when it's finished.
Speaker:If this is only going to get worse, then God alone knows
Speaker:what we're going to do about it.
Speaker:Because it's one of those things, we could have already missed the boat
Speaker:on actually doing anything about it.
Speaker:But I hope we haven't.
Speaker:I hope that the, measures and that sort of stuff being put in by the
Speaker:Queensland government and hopefully the, other measures that are being
Speaker:taken by other state governments will actually help bring that down.
Speaker:But 2023 destroys global heat record.
Speaker:European Sciences officially confirmed Tuesday that 2023
Speaker:was the hottest year on record.
Speaker:So, there it is.
Speaker:Global warming has happened, it's already happening, and it is looking
Speaker:like it's getting out of control.
Speaker:Yeah, well, I think they've said, effectively, we're not
Speaker:going to stop or reverse.
Speaker:The question is how much we can slow it down by.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:So can we keep it to a rate that isn't going to be totally earth
Speaker:changing for Life on the planet.
Speaker:The planet itself will survive.
Speaker:Yeah, the planet itself will survive, it's just who lives on here is another story.
Speaker:You know, as to whether or not we, as to whether or not our planet can
Speaker:support a population of 8 billion plus is another thing, you know.
Speaker:And also, we keep approving coal mines for some reason.
Speaker:Yeah, I know, we keep approving them, and we've got to actually stop that.
Speaker:You know, even though it's one of those things, dear listener, I'm looking at
Speaker:working at coal mines and all that sort of stuff, but it's one of those things.
Speaker:I can accept that they've got a finite life.
Speaker:I can accept that they've got 20 or 30 years left in them.
Speaker:But there are a number of kids and that sort of stuff that are
Speaker:going out there thinking they're going to have a job for life.
Speaker:They're not going to have a job for life, you know, because at some point
Speaker:humanity has to stop digging up decomposed forests and burning them because that
Speaker:is what's actually causing the problem.
Speaker:I'm back and you start talking about climate change.
Speaker:Yeah, we have started talking about climate change.
Speaker:Did you mention that graphic?
Speaker:Yeah, and Joe put that up on the screen.
Speaker:It's one of those things, that graphic actually scared the shit out of me.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, when I'm down at Coolangatta I sort of, I can't help myself, I keep looking
Speaker:at the beach and looking at the apartment building down there and thinking, how
Speaker:long is it going to take before this is actually, the water rises and the goddamn
Speaker:basement's flooded every second week when there's a king tide or something.
Speaker:I just It, it can't be that far off when these things happen.
Speaker:Well, it's one of those things, like, you know, So then you'll
Speaker:have a waterfront apartment.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, but you, the basement will be permanently flooded, which you
Speaker:then can't drive your car into.
Speaker:It's one of those things, like, you know, Fraser Island is now called Kigari, is it?
Speaker:Mm hmm.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There's been two kids and that sort of stuff that have been airlifted
Speaker:to hospital today because they got stung by Iriganchi jellyfish.
Speaker:Irukandji jellyfish only ever hang out in the very hot water.
Speaker:The very hot water is now at Fraser Island, for Christ's sake.
Speaker:That's only just a few hours north of Lusa.
Speaker:Last year they were saying, no, no, no, it wasn't Irukandji.
Speaker:People are getting confused.
Speaker:There's no way they'd be that far south.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Well, they are that far south apparently now.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So, it's one of those things, as the temperature and that sort of stuff rises,
Speaker:the, it's no longer, the cooler water is no longer in the south of the country,
Speaker:it's now warming and that sort of stuff, so you've now got Iriganchi, Iriganchi,
Speaker:Iriganchi jellyfish at Kigari, which is really very frightening, actually.
Speaker:there was another article in John Menardieu blog that said, European
Speaker:scientists confirmed that Tuesday, on Tuesday that 2023 was the hottest year on
Speaker:record, and Not only is 2023, the warmest year on record, it's the first year
Speaker:with all days over 1% or over one degree warmer than the pre-industrial period.
Speaker:So temperature temperatures during 2023 likely exceed those of any
Speaker:period in the last 100,000 years.
Speaker:Mm-Hmm.
Speaker:. So, so you can just see it's coming to the crunch, but it's a can.
Speaker:Just gets kicked down the road.
Speaker:Well, I don't think they're going to be able to kick it down the road
Speaker:anymore because, you know, everything that the scientists and that sort of
Speaker:stuff was saying was going to happen in 50 years, it's happening now.
Speaker:So, you know, it's It's one of those things, you know, we've got
Speaker:to accept that it's happening and we've got to actually deal with it.
Speaker:Now, you know, I've got solar panels on my roof and I've got a battery and all that
Speaker:sort of stuff and I'm very pleased with myself when I, you know, I wake up in the
Speaker:morning and the battery's still at 25%.
Speaker:So, you know, I'm not purchasing any of the electricity up here.
Speaker:It's all coming from my, from my, from my own solar generation.
Speaker:But, you know, is that enough?
Speaker:Probably not.
Speaker:You know, we've actually got to find ways of sucking out the carbon dioxide that's
Speaker:already been put into the atmosphere now, so, you know, I don't know what the
Speaker:answer is, you know, it's one of those things, it, you know, you could, you could
Speaker:argue that you should plant more forests and that type of thing, but, you know,
Speaker:how the hell are we going to do that?
Speaker:I just don't see anybody having the political courage to do anything about it.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:People will just want the cam kicked down the road while they
Speaker:can, and at the moment you look at it and you can, so people will.
Speaker:Well, I think that's unfortunately human nature.
Speaker:Well, Dutton will argue that it should be kicked down the road, but
Speaker:I think to myself that, you know, it's already happening now, we can't
Speaker:actually kick it down the road anymore because it's, it's one of those
Speaker:things, it's, it's already happening, so we've got no choice but we've
Speaker:actually got to do something about it.
Speaker:Anyway, the evidence is in, it's not just feeling hotter, it is hotter.
Speaker:Yeah, it is, it's a hell of a lot hotter.
Speaker:The evidence is there, so.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's that, and just finally But hang on, we had snow the
Speaker:other day, it can't be hotter.
Speaker:Yeah, this is the thing, people It's not snowing down here,
Speaker:it's snowing up there you are.
Speaker:Yeah, but people talk about, oh, it's snowing so much, how
Speaker:can there be global warming?
Speaker:Well, there's an expression that it's It's too dry for snow, and you need
Speaker:moisture in the air in order to create snow, so the warming of the planet,
Speaker:um, means that there's more moisture in the air, which means there actually
Speaker:will be heavier snow dumps in cold areas than there were previously.
Speaker:Makes perfect sense that you get these big snow dumps.
Speaker:Due to global warming.
Speaker:There we go.
Speaker:Yep, for sure.
Speaker:and just quickly, we haven't mentioned submarines all year, have we?
Speaker:so, What, in two episodes you mean?
Speaker:Yes, that's right.
Speaker:So, the Australian Navy can't man its eight ANZAC class frigates.
Speaker:And sailor numbers continue to fall, yet defence leadership is pursuing a grandiose
Speaker:368 billion Orcas submarine program.
Speaker:We'll just get the Yanks to come over and crew them for us.
Speaker:They'll have to crew them as well.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:We can't even Man, our eight ANZAC class frigates, let alone these huge submarines.
Speaker:So, add that to the kit bag of arguments against these stupid nuclear submarines,
Speaker:and, In the chat room, John's been, ranting at me about the Houthis and
Speaker:saying that it is indiscriminate.
Speaker:They're, they're, firing on, on, shipping in the Red Sea.
Speaker:So, we'll have to come back to that one next week, John.
Speaker:In the meantime, as I Verify whether they're discriminant or
Speaker:indiscriminate with their attacks on shipping and see what the story is.
Speaker:So, right.
Speaker:Well, that was a Monday night, eight o'clock, first episode.
Speaker:And we've had nine people watching at the moment, so that was good.
Speaker:Same sort of usual crowd showed up, good on you.
Speaker:Jack H was not always there, Chris is there now.
Speaker:So, so yeah, good crowd for showing up.
Speaker:I think Alison turned up there at some stage as well, so.
Speaker:Alrighty, well thank you for the contributions in the chat room.
Speaker:Joe, are you back next week in Australia?
Speaker:No, next week I'm in London and catching a flight.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So we probably won't talk to you.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But the week after?
Speaker:Should be.
Speaker:Assuming jet lag isn't too bad.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Scott, you're not going anywhere?
Speaker:No, I'm not going anywhere at the minute.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Very good.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Alrighty.
Speaker:Well, talk to you next week, dear listener.
Speaker:Thanks for your attention.
Speaker:Bye for now.
Speaker:And it's a good night from me.
Speaker:And it's a good night from him.
Speaker:Good night.
