Episode 442 - Gutless Labor

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We're back, dear listener.

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Episode 442, Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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I'm Trevor, no Scott tonight, but we've got Joe the Tech Guy.

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Joe, how are you?

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I'm good.

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Evening, everybody.

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Already in the chat room, we've got Landon Hardbottom,

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who can barely contain himself.

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Yes, he was telling us that he was waiting, waiting, waiting.

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So, , we are here, Landon.

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Dunno where Scott is.

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So, might had to go to bed early.

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Not sure.

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Hope Scott's well.

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Um, we'll find out.

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Actually, we're gonna change the time to seven 30 to make it a bit earlier.

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Which is going to suit us, and uh, might suit Scott a bit

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better as well, so, so anyway.

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Yes, we normally talk about news and politics and sex and religion.

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That's what Joe and I will be talking about.

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We'll talk a little bit about an election in the Northern Territory.

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We're going to focus a bit on gutless Labor and their decision about whether

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to count gay people in the Census.

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And, um, lots of news with, um, uh, Twitter.

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X is banned in Brazil.

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The sort of founder of Telegram has been arrested in France.

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Sort of issues about free speech and stuff like that, we'll talk about.

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For a bit of comedic relief, I'll play a few Donald Trump

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clips, just to break things up.

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And, um, yes, Landon says time is money.

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Thank you, Landon.

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So, uh, So yeah, that's a rough agenda, but if you're in the chat room, propose

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a topic because I'm in a mood lately where I'm happy to be diverted down any

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rabbit hole that you want to send me.

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So feel free to raise an appropriate topic if you're in the chat room.

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Uh, let's see.

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Um, well, before we go on, um, Joe, I'm getting quite depressed.

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I used to think that it was important to figure out the best policy And hope common

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sense would prevail in the voting public, and through voting pressure either parties

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would amend policies, or new parties would emerge with those correct policies.

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But I am just, um, I've lost all hope in that now.

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It doesn't matter how clear So,

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the laws keep being changed to make it harder and harder for new

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Yes, that's true.

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That is true.

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But, um, I just am becoming more and more convinced that it's basically

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because of Garza and Orcus, where in my mind, those are so obvious.

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what the correct thing is to do.

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In the case of Orcus, cancel the damn thing.

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Like, it's so obviously a stupid, crazy idea, no matter what side

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of the political fence you're on.

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Even if you want shiny, bright machines, you should be against Orcus.

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Um, and the same with Gaza, where we can't,

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we can't agree on the abomination that is occurring there.

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And I just, well, I think that's down to Murdoch, isn't it?

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I mean, I think the Guardian is very much, I don't know about Orcus,

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but certainly Gaza is, they're, they're reporting on the atrocities.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So it's the, it's the, the propaganda of these issues that has to be overcome

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before you even begin to talk about it.

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Well, let's rationally look at these issues one by one and consider what's

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the best approach because there's sometimes a lifetime of indoctrination

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that has to be overcome before we can even get to a rational thought process.

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Um, so we started off with religion on this podcast.

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I don't know that I ever thought I was convinced, gonna convince people that

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religion was a bad idea, but you'd think you could convince politicians in terms

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of schools and private schools and things of what a disruptive influence it is

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and it's bad, but of course you can't.

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They're just fully indoctrinated.

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I guess I'm at the position, Joe, where it's the difficulty of, of clearing

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the air of, of preconceived propaganda that's seeped in and just doesn't allow

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a rational discussion to take place.

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Um, so it's not even any point in thinking about it.

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That's where I'm at, Joe.

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It's quite a depressing point.

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Maybe even this, um, the census question.

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Have you heard about that?

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Yeah.

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So a simple proposal.

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That.

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Hey, let's introduce a new census question where we ask people

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wasn't previously asked.

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I don't think so.

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It was an introduction question.

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Okay.

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I thought it was asked, um,

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last time around.

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Yeah, I don't think so.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And a simple question just to ask, you know, are you gay or lesbian?

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Or, you know, a simple question along those lines because a significant number

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of the amount of the population is Mm-Hmm.

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. And it's important to know about significant numbers so we can

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make policies um, and have an understanding of our society

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if we sort of know the numbers.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And a Labor government said, no, we're going to shy away from that.

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Yeah, a

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religious Prime Minister in a Labor government.

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Yes.

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For two reasons.

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One, because he Didn't want to do something that could be

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divisive because he thought that the opposition would oppose it.

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Oh, they will.

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Um, because there are second and a secondly, it could

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cause concern for faith groups.

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And I

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just think so.

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He's worried, he, he's willing to upset the 10% of gay voters for the 2% of

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religious voters that actually care.

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Yeah.

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Just, you know, you've made it all these years, the meetings you've gone

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to, the time you've spent, you've, you've finally ascended to a position

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of the Prime Minister of this country.

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All along the way there must have been shit that you wanted to get

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done, and thought, once I'm there, whoa, what am I going to do?

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And something as simple as this They were spooked by not

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feeling confident that they could

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sell a story to the Australian public.

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Yeah, we think it's a good idea to count the number of gay and

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lesbian people in our community.

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Like, they couldn't be, and they shied away from that fight.

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Um, so, uh, yeah.

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And, um, it was part of Labor Party policy, which I think Robin mentioned.

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Bristow was just referred to in the comment there.

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Was that what he was saying?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was part of Labor Party policy to, to do this.

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So you've got a policy.

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It's such a simple thing, adding a question, and they're so gutless.

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They must have sat around in a meeting, at least a handful

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of them, and talking about it.

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And they've just gone, oh, don't know, I think it'll just, uh, the Murdoch

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press will give us a hard time.

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Crucify

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us.

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And we might upset a few of our Catholic friends, maybe, so let's not do it.

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I, I find that so gutless.

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I'd rather have Scott Morrison.

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In power.

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Been a gutless Albanese, I think.

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I think, I think Albanese disgusts me more now.

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Right.

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Because he's normally on the left.

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Yes, because he's such a sellout and so unwilling to do

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anything that he's just in the road.

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It, you know, I'd rather Morrison was in charge and Somebody on the

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left might be able to come through, but Albanese is blocking it.

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That's my sort of feeling.

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I think, I think there are good things going on in the

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background, but not as much as there should be for a Labor government.

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What do you mean, good things going on in the background?

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I'm sure that there's industrial relations stuff happening,

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that Well, yeah, there is.

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They passed a specific bill in Parliament To shut down the CFMEU.

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Well, yeah.

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That's

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That's what's going on.

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That's because they're the wrong faction of the Labor Party.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, you're right, Joe.

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They're working on industrial relations stuff.

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Shutting down the CFMEU.

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Dear listener, this is One of the benefits of doing this podcast, I say

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this to people that I meet who say, for God's sake, why are you still

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doing this podcast after nine years?

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And the answer is, it forces me to read things and try and understand

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what's going on where, otherwise normally I might just let it fly past.

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So, um, and the CFMEU thing was one of those where I was ordinarily

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might just let it go past.

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But, um, Short story on the CFMEU, Joe, is, okay, uh, some talk of bad

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actors in the CFMEU who have made threatening and misogynist statements

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and possibly criminal activity.

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Who knows?

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Certainly evidence presented by TV shows, not a court of law, that some

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individuals in the CFMEU might not be the sort of people that you want in there.

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But the government has passed a specific bill dealing with the CFMEU, throwing it

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into administration because of some bad actors, when there are court processes and

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other means available to deal with that.

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So we have laws in place to deal with people who are office

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holders behaving inappropriately.

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And so Max Chandler Mather, I've got to get his name right, he was on the 7.

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30 report, um, with Sarah Ferguson, and he did a great job, uh, because he was also

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at one of the rallies with the CFMEU, and he was basically saying that proposition

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was Okay, there are individuals, there's stuff about them that doesn't look good.

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Let the courts decide, not trial by media and not trial by the executive.

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Like, we're supposed to have a separation of powers in this

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country where Parliament, you know, makes the laws and the judiciary

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interprets and enforces those laws.

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But by creating a specific statute, putting the CFMEU into

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administration, they've really, um, overtaken the role of the judiciary.

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And even if you really hate the CFMEU, and you think that in that

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case, you like the idea of them being wiped out, it sets a precedent

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now for any membership based group.

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That the Parliament, a future Liberal National Party, that takes a dislike

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to some membership group, might say, well let's pass an act like the CFMEU

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Act, put this group into administration and um, and that will fix that problem.

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So I did see there was a question about So, did they

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appoint an administrator when, um, who was the big consulting firm?

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Yeah,

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um, PricewaterhouseCorp.

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PwC?

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Yeah, and KPMG were also in doing dodgy things as well with, um.

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With the tax?

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Um, advising, one of them was advising their

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clients on ways to avoid tax.

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The tax before it had been announced, like, sort of.

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So they were

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advising the government and also advising their clients.

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Yes, yes.

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So did we put those accounting firms into administration because

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some of their Key operators were seemingly doing the wrong thing, no.

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And the other example that Max gave in the 7th Edge Report, Joe, which was

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a cracker, Was the Catholic Church.

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Right.

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He said, here's some evidence of, of an organisation where some key

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players have been proven to be.

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Covering up for all sorts of dodgy acts, yeah.

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Or indeed committing the dodgy acts.

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Well, yeah.

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And did we ever talk about putting the Catholic Church into administration?

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Well, I

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did, but

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I talked about shutting it down and stripping its assets,

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but apparently I was vetoed.

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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Really good effort by Max on the 7th Editorial Report.

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If you haven't seen it, dear listener, go on to iview and watch him in action.

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Particularly because Sarah Ferguson gave him a hard time.

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And she was really saying, what the hell are you doing, um,

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at this rally for the CFMEU?

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This group who have done standover tactics and hired bikies and blah blah, what

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does that say about you sort of thing?

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The End.

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And he was really, really calm and collected and stood

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up to her very, very well.

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I couldn't fault his performance.

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I thought it was very, very good.

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So, um, top marks.

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10 out of 10 in that interview.

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And Sarah Ferguson, honestly, there's a You can play devil's

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advocate where you could say

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Well, your opponents would say this, you know, what do you say to that?

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But she went way beyond the role of a devil's advocate.

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She was really, obviously, um, uh, way too heavy on the side of, of painting him as

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a stupid Um, supporter of, of bikey gangs.

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And what the hell did he think he was doing?

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And he was trashing his name and that of the Greens.

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And, and how could he possibly be doing this?

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Like, it was more than just a devil's advocate sort of,

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um, role that she was playing.

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So, yeah, full marks to Max Chandler Martha for his work on that one.

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So, yeah.

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So yeah, Joe, you're right.

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That's, uh, that's, uh The government is working on some

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industrial relations reforms.

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Well, Labor has, I would say, long since ceased to represent the unions.

Joe: 00:16:07

Yes.

Joe: 00:16:08

Yeah.

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Certainly the working man, it's much more worried about the

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inner city elites, isn't it?

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Hmm.

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Um,

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look, I, I,

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I just don't know who this Who do they think their supporters are now?

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I think the Labor, it's just kinda, people are gonna leave

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them in droves as evidenced by a Northern Territory election, Joe.

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Did you know there was some sort of Northern Territory election lately?

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I think I heard.

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Yeah, so Labor got thrown out, Country Liberal Party came

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in, and big swing against Labor.

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So, um, unfortunately, Joe.

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A big Law and Order campaign on that one.

Joe: 00:17:04

Not a surprise.

Trevor: 00:17:06

Gotta lock up these 12 year olds.

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Yeah.

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Going too soft on them.

Joe: 00:17:09

Yeah, we're talking about changing the age of accountability down to 10.

Trevor: 00:17:13

Yes.

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So, a lot of it was on Law and Order stuff.

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And, for God's sake, um, kids, 12, 14, Um, I think I saw something in one of

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the Murdoch papers complaining about how the rate of incarceration of 14

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year olds for grievous bodily harm was less than that of the adult population.

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And it was like, yeah, that's how it's supposed to work.

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Yes.

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People are 13 and 14, they don't fully understand what they're doing and there's

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lots of other factors at play here.

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We say they can't drive, we say they can't drink, we say they can't

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smoke because their brains aren't formed.

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But we're perfectly happy to lock them in prison for 30 years because

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they've done something stupid.

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Yes, so unfortunately that was a law and order campaign and

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I think that's going to be the campaign here in Queensland, Joe.

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Have you seen the

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WA campaign?

Joe: 00:18:09

Oh, Albanese is saying, watch out, Peter Dutton is going to take away your GST.

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Really?

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Yup.

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Oh, I haven't seen that.

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So, dear listener, Western Australia gets an obscene deal under the GST carve up.

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A carve up that needs to be reversed.

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And now, under a A Labor government that was interested in equality, in a fair go

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for all, and you know, those in good times helping out those in not so good times,

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um, so he's basically, um, bearing down on the promise of retaining the GST carve up.

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And alleging that the Liberals would change that?

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That's what he's saying.

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As if they would, because I love it as much as

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Wow.

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No, I didn't see that.

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Okay.

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Oh, Joe.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, some big swings in that Northern Territory election.

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Potentially a lot of big swings to come in the federal election.

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Richard Dennis was writing an article and he was really saying there's

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not really a safe seat anymore.

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That, that the Teals could take almost any, uh, LNP seat and the Greens

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could take almost any Labor seat.

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So I think there's going to be a big swing, um, against Labor.

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Apparently it's round 50 50 two party preferred at the moment.

Joe: 00:20:00

So,

Trevor: 00:20:04

getting what they deserved, gutless labour, just gutless, um,

Joe: 00:20:10

Yeah, I think they assume that the preferences will flow to them, but

Joe: 00:20:15

I think if there's enough of us, well, obviously the independents will get it.

Trevor: 00:20:19

Yeah.

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Sue says, is there a reason why Trevor is so much louder than Joe?

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See, in the recording, Joe, I reckon I was louder than you.

Trevor: 00:20:28

Yeah, okay.

Trevor: 00:20:29

I'll turn it up.

Trevor: 00:20:30

Yeah, turn yours up.

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So, um, um, Hello in the chat room, Allison, Don, Sue,

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um, who else is in there?

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I need to get this chat up so I can scroll through it.

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Hang on one second, chat there, uh, yes, uh, Don, Allison, Wotley's there.

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Wotley says Sarah Ferguson is a right wing character assassin.

Trevor: 00:20:56

I think that is correct, and there's a few of them in the.

Trevor: 00:21:00

Um, and the ABC, so, I think I've got everybody there, and Landon of course.

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If you're in the chat room and you want to propose a topic, feel

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free to, um, happy to talk about anything that you come up with.

Trevor: 00:21:15

Right, um,

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Don says, they will take my GST out of my cold dead hands.

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No wait.

Trevor: 00:21:24

Actually he died, Charlton Heston, I think.

Trevor: 00:21:27

Is that it?

Trevor: 00:21:27

Only recently?

Trevor: 00:21:28

Bye.

Trevor: 00:21:29

No idea.

Trevor: 00:21:29

Yeah, I think he, um, cause he was with the gun lobby in the US, I think.

Joe: 00:21:35

He was, yeah, I think, the NRA.

Trevor: 00:21:37

Yeah, and I think one of his lines was, they'll, they'll take my gun out of

Trevor: 00:21:42

my cold dead hand or something like that.

Trevor: 00:21:44

Which I think they could now do, seeing he's, hmm.

Trevor: 00:21:48

Ah, what do we have to say?

Trevor: 00:21:51

Anything more about this, um, Wrap up of this Census question before

Trevor: 00:21:58

I move on about gutless labour.

Trevor: 00:22:00

Um, Bernard Keane, writing in Crikey, A more confident government would

Trevor: 00:22:07

have let the process run, accepted a new question, and pointed out how

Trevor: 00:22:11

weird it is that Dutton opposed it.

Trevor: 00:22:13

But this isn't a confident government.

Trevor: 00:22:16

If you don't want to do things because they might be labelled divisive, you

Trevor: 00:22:20

shouldn't be in the business of politics.

Trevor: 00:22:22

I agree.

Trevor: 00:22:23

Philip Adams said, Albanese memorably complained that, People

Trevor: 00:22:29

have always underestimated me.

Trevor: 00:22:31

It seems they were right.

Trevor: 00:22:33

And, uh, Sure, they

Joe: 00:22:34

overestimated him, not underestimated.

Joe: 00:22:37

Mm.

Joe: 00:22:37

Cause they thought he could do something.

Trevor: 00:22:39

Yeah, well, um, Maybe he's living up to the underestimated tag.

Trevor: 00:22:45

Cause he's not doing anything.

Joe: 00:22:46

Well, yeah.

Trevor: 00:22:47

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:22:48

Uh, and, uh, somebody else who has contacts reckons that, um, that the

Trevor: 00:22:59

voice was really the only divisive issue that the Albanese government

Trevor: 00:23:04

were going to give any energy to.

Trevor: 00:23:06

And once they lost that they were, they were no longer gonna do divisive

Trevor: 00:23:10

issues, they'd used up their ration.

Trevor: 00:23:13

So.

Trevor: 00:23:15

Yeah, the whole argument that this was going to be divisive in our community

Trevor: 00:23:20

as a reason for not doing a policy.

Trevor: 00:23:23

For God's sake, you're always going to find people who disagree with you.

Trevor: 00:23:29

You just got to explain your position and keep going if you think you're right.

Trevor: 00:23:35

Ah, Joe.

Trevor: 00:23:38

A bit of religion.

Trevor: 00:23:43

Um, Tasmanian Parliament.

Trevor: 00:23:47

I'll just play a little bit by the Speaker of the Tasmanian Parliament.

Trevor: 00:23:52

Ah, here we go.

Trevor: 00:23:57

Without being disrespectful, I don't, I'm the only member of the House.

Trevor: 00:24:01

Does no one else know the song?

Trevor: 00:24:03

I now invite members to join me in reciting the Lord's Prayer, or

Trevor: 00:24:07

to stand in silence and pray or reflect on their responsibilities

Trevor: 00:24:10

to the people of Tasmania.

Trevor: 00:24:14

Almighty God, we humbly ask you to grant your blessing upon this Parliament.

Trevor: 00:24:20

She goes on.

Trevor: 00:24:21

You don't need to hear the rest.

Trevor: 00:24:22

But the beginning was Anyone else want to sing the Lord's Prayer?

Trevor: 00:24:27

Am I the only one here who knows the tune?

Trevor: 00:24:30

The Speaker of the Tasmanian Parliament, Joe, wanted to sing the

Trevor: 00:24:35

Lord's Prayer and was a bit bemused that nobody else wanted to join in.

Trevor: 00:24:41

Didn't want to be disrespectful but, you know, why doesn't anybody

Trevor: 00:24:44

else want to sing the Lord's Prayer?

Joe: 00:24:49

Yes.

Joe: 00:24:51

Because of course it represents so much of the Australian population now.

Trevor: 00:24:56

So that's Tasmania for you.

Trevor: 00:24:58

Um, what else have we got here?

Trevor: 00:25:01

Um,

Trevor: 00:25:04

well, I anticipated that Scott would be here, and he's not.

Trevor: 00:25:08

So I had a whole section about voting for the Greens.

Trevor: 00:25:13

Um, there was an interview with, um, I don't know.

Trevor: 00:25:20

Max Chandler Mather.

Trevor: 00:25:22

Mather?

Trevor: 00:25:23

Mather?

Trevor: 00:25:23

Ma?

Trevor: 00:25:24

Sometimes Mather is pronounced Ma, is it?

Joe: 00:25:29

You don't have a T.

Joe: 00:25:31

I'm guessing listen to an interview where he pronounces

Joe: 00:25:33

it, or somebody introduces him.

Joe: 00:25:35

I should do that.

Trevor: 00:25:36

Max, anyway, interview with him.

Trevor: 00:25:39

Greens.

Trevor: 00:25:41

Some of their current policies, Joe.

Trevor: 00:25:42

Recognising Palestine at the bare minimum.

Trevor: 00:25:46

They want Australia to sanction the Israeli government, expel the Israeli

Trevor: 00:25:50

ambassador, end arms trades with Israel.

Trevor: 00:25:55

I reckon that's a fair start.

Trevor: 00:25:58

Good policies.

Trevor: 00:26:00

Um, they're completely opposed to AUKUS because, number one,

Trevor: 00:26:06

it's a colossal waste of money.

Trevor: 00:26:08

Two, it's It makes us less safe and three, it endangers our sovereignty.

Joe: 00:26:15

Well, wasn't it him who was holding, um, that, uh, Admiral to account?

Trevor: 00:26:22

No, that was a different guy.

Trevor: 00:26:24

That was still the Greens, wasn't it?

Trevor: 00:26:26

Yeah, I think it was.

Trevor: 00:26:27

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:26:28

Yep.

Trevor: 00:26:28

So a great summation there.

Trevor: 00:26:32

Um, they want to bring dental and mental health under Medicare.

Trevor: 00:26:39

We've been saying for nine and a half years.

Joe: 00:26:42

Is mental health not under Medicare?

Trevor: 00:26:44

Apparently not.

Joe: 00:26:46

Okay.

Trevor: 00:26:47

The dental, we know isn't.

Trevor: 00:26:49

It's just crazy.

Trevor: 00:26:50

So, bringing dental under Medicare.

Trevor: 00:26:53

Um, rent controls.

Trevor: 00:26:55

I don't know how effective rent controls would be, but I'm happy

Trevor: 00:26:59

to see someone give it a go.

Trevor: 00:27:00

Building

Joe: 00:27:01

more

Trevor: 00:27:01

affordable housing, public housing, I'm sure that will help.

Trevor: 00:27:05

And, um, he says about, um, the government should make

Trevor: 00:27:10

supermarket price gouging illegal.

Trevor: 00:27:12

I'm going to talk about price gouging and profits in a moment.

Trevor: 00:27:17

It doesn't actually look like the supermarkets have been price gouging, Joe.

Trevor: 00:27:24

There's certainly

Joe: 00:27:25

a much larger individual market share over here than in other countries.

Trevor: 00:27:30

Yeah, so we'll get onto that in a moment.

Trevor: 00:27:35

Um, also taxing large multinationals, particularly coal and gas corporations.

Trevor: 00:27:44

Make universities free again, funded by these larger taxes on the multinationals.

Trevor: 00:27:50

And forgive all outstanding hex.

Trevor: 00:27:53

Um, Sounds good to me.

Trevor: 00:27:56

And a long term plan to phase out coal and gas.

Joe: 00:27:59

Sounds even better.

Trevor: 00:28:00

I know.

Trevor: 00:28:02

Tremendous stuff.

Trevor: 00:28:03

Um, so, tick, tick, ticks across the board there.

Trevor: 00:28:08

Um, big corporations tax.

Trevor: 00:28:12

A 40 percent tax, this is a Greens propose, on excessive profits.

Trevor: 00:28:17

This will apply to profits earned on turnover after the first 100 million.

Trevor: 00:28:24

So, The Super Profits Tax allows a reasonable rate of return for

Trevor: 00:28:29

companies, effectively defined as 5 percent plus the long term bond rate.

Trevor: 00:28:37

So, the long term bond rate is a sort of prevailing interest

Trevor: 00:28:41

rate of sorts, plus 5%.

Trevor: 00:28:44

So, and they're saying if a corporation earning more than 100

Trevor: 00:28:49

million earns profits more than that rate, Then they're going to pay some

Trevor: 00:28:52

extra tax on that extra part, so.

Joe: 00:28:55

Did you see, um, the Crikey article about that?

Trevor: 00:29:00

Uh, Bernard Keane?

Joe: 00:29:03

I think?

Joe: 00:29:04

Might have been, I can't remember.

Joe: 00:29:06

Basically saying, saying we shouldn't do it because, um, our superannuation is

Joe: 00:29:13

basically invested in the stock market.

Joe: 00:29:15

I did see that.

Joe: 00:29:16

But they were saying that 40 percent of the profit stayed on shore, which means

Joe: 00:29:21

that 60 percent goes offshore and that's an awful lot of money that we're losing.

Trevor: 00:29:26

Correct.

Trevor: 00:29:27

If you look at the foreign ownership of the Top 100 in the

Trevor: 00:29:32

ASX, or in particular the top 20, a significant amount is foreign owned.

Trevor: 00:29:39

So, that's a stupid argument by Bernard Keene, um, when it, he's actually quite,

Trevor: 00:29:47

sort of, he's got some odd ideas when it comes to economics, Bernard Keene.

Trevor: 00:29:51

But, um, uh, I think If we were to tax them and a government used that tax

Trevor: 00:29:59

appropriately, that's going to be better for the working class than relying on

Trevor: 00:30:04

superannuation, the profits being kept in their superannuation, particularly

Trevor: 00:30:09

when so much is foreign owned.

Trevor: 00:30:10

And particularly when so much of shares is owned by the top 5

Trevor: 00:30:18

percent of our population when you look at share ownership as well.

Trevor: 00:30:22

So it's, it's skewed to foreigners, it's skewed to.

Trevor: 00:30:26

Um, the top end of town, so to suggest we should leave it alone

Trevor: 00:30:31

because that's the workers money.

Trevor: 00:30:33

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:30:33

It's a stupid argument.

Trevor: 00:30:35

You know, and Crikey though, I'll give them to their credit.

Trevor: 00:30:38

They often on some occasions now will pick a topic and they'll have one writer

Trevor: 00:30:43

who writes in favour of something and another writer who writes, uh, against it.

Trevor: 00:30:49

So you get two sides of the story.

Trevor: 00:30:52

So.

Trevor: 00:30:52

Yeah.

Joe: 00:30:52

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:30:53

I quite like that, and I don't really see it anywhere else,

Trevor: 00:30:56

so, um, yeah, so that was good.

Trevor: 00:31:00

Um, Greens, revamping the tax on offshore oil and gas, and, um, yeah, so someone

Trevor: 00:31:09

like, um, with this extra tax, for example, someone like Woolworths would

Trevor: 00:31:17

ordinarily pay 735 million in tax.

Trevor: 00:31:22

And this would cause them to pay an extra 425 million.

Trevor: 00:31:26

So, um, and it gives the example of various companies.

Trevor: 00:31:30

Commonwealth Bank.

Joe: 00:31:31

So they're not price gouging, but they are making super profits.

Joe: 00:31:35

Yes,

Trevor: 00:31:38

in the sense that price gouging

Trevor: 00:31:42

seems to suggest a recent increase in prices taking advantage of the situation.

Trevor: 00:31:48

Whereas I think when we get to it, The graphs will show that they're

Trevor: 00:31:59

only doing what they did 10 years ago, which might be, Joe, that they

Trevor: 00:32:01

were price gouging 10 years ago.

Trevor: 00:32:04

And it's been a consistent price gouging policy that, um Wasn't

Trevor: 00:32:09

Barnaby saying this 10 years ago?

Trevor: 00:32:10

Or was it Katter?

Trevor: 00:32:12

I don't know, but um Have you got somebody from the country?

Trevor: 00:32:15

If you're thinking of supermarkets price gouging, especially in the last few years,

Trevor: 00:32:19

Not really, but anyway, we'll get to that, um, but certainly some super profits,

Trevor: 00:32:25

um, so look, you could argue about the details, maybe, but at least the Greens

Trevor: 00:32:32

are proposing the sorts of stuff that I've been whinging about for nine years, so a

Joe: 00:32:38

lot of that stuff,

Trevor: 00:32:39

good on them.

Joe: 00:32:40

Um It's because they're watermelons, you know.

Trevor: 00:32:43

Yes, green on the outside and communist.

Trevor: 00:32:46

Yeah.

Joe: 00:32:47

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:32:51

They got the Batuta Advocate on side.

Trevor: 00:32:55

The Batuta Advocate had a headline with Max Chandler Mather on the, as

Trevor: 00:33:01

pictured at a CFMEU rally, and the headline was, whoever this little

Trevor: 00:33:06

freak is, he's talking a lot of sense.

Trevor: 00:33:09

Think disenfranchised Labor voters.

Trevor: 00:33:12

Um, yeah.

Trevor: 00:33:16

Um, okay.

Trevor: 00:33:21

Yeah, we've done the CFMEU, um, because Max Chandler Mather

Trevor: 00:33:25

was on that, he was very good.

Trevor: 00:33:28

Um, even the New South Wales Council for Civil Liberties also says that the,

Trevor: 00:33:37

the specific bill putting the CFMEU into administration is a dangerous

Trevor: 00:33:44

precedent that Um, Overcomes principles of natural justice and the normal

Trevor: 00:33:51

court system that we should have.

Trevor: 00:33:53

So, yeah.

Trevor: 00:33:56

Now, um, Price Gouging.

Trevor: 00:34:00

Saul S.

Trevor: 00:34:00

Lake, uh, used to be an economist for ANZ.

Trevor: 00:34:06

Don't know who he works for these days, but I've followed his progress

Trevor: 00:34:10

for decades and he comes out with stuff that I think we can trust.

Trevor: 00:34:16

And so he had an article on price gouging and, um, he says that our high inflation

Trevor: 00:34:26

rate that we currently have, highest inflation in 35 years, is in large part

Trevor: 00:34:31

the result of producers being able to pass on increases in costs to their

Trevor: 00:34:37

customers in the form of higher prices.

Trevor: 00:34:40

Um, so He says criticism would be warranted if businesses were raising

Trevor: 00:34:46

prices by more than their costs in order to boost profit margins.

Trevor: 00:34:52

Um, but there's no evidence that businesses are doing that.

Trevor: 00:34:56

And he's produced some graphs in an article that are in the

Trevor: 00:35:00

show notes that the patrons get.

Trevor: 00:35:03

If you're not a patron, you should consider becoming one.

Trevor: 00:35:06

And, um, he says, consumer prices as measured by the CPI have risen 21.

Trevor: 00:35:10

3 percent over the past four years, but costs incurred by businesses in

Trevor: 00:35:16

producing goods and services have risen at a faster rate than consumer prices.

Trevor: 00:35:23

So where's

Joe: 00:35:24

that come from?

Joe: 00:35:24

Cause it certainly hasn't come from, um, labor as in people working.

Trevor: 00:35:30

Uh,

Joe: 00:35:31

it's not, it's not wages that have gone up by that much.

Joe: 00:35:33

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:35:34

Ah, he says, um, uh, Domestic producer prices of goods

Trevor: 00:35:41

and services have risen by 17.

Trevor: 00:35:43

5 percent over the past four years, prices of imported goods have risen 19.

Trevor: 00:35:48

9%, and nominal unit labour costs have risen by 32.

Trevor: 00:35:53

1%.

Trevor: 00:35:54

partly because of falling labour productivity.

Trevor: 00:35:58

So, Joe,

Trevor: 00:36:01

unit labour costs have risen by 32 percent in that period.

Joe: 00:36:06

Wage increases?

Joe: 00:36:08

Yes.

Joe: 00:36:08

Maybe people are on a go slow because they haven't had a wage increase.

Trevor: 00:36:12

Wage increase and falling productivity, increasing the labour,

Trevor: 00:36:17

nominal unit labour costs by 32%.

Trevor: 00:36:22

Anyway, excluding the mining sector, Pre-tax, pre-tax profit margins, a rose,

Trevor: 00:36:31

um, from an average of 6.5% in the 10 years to 2020 to 7.5% in 2021, boosted by

Trevor: 00:36:44

job keeper, but then fell back to 6.5%.

Trevor: 00:36:48

So, and it remained at that level.

Trevor: 00:36:49

So.

Trevor: 00:36:51

In the 10 years from 2010 to 2020,

Trevor: 00:36:58

pre tax profit margins excluding the mining sector was 6.

Trevor: 00:37:02

5 percent and that's what they are now.

Trevor: 00:37:06

So if there is price gouging, it's been going on for 14 years.

Trevor: 00:37:13

If, if 6.

Trevor: 00:37:15

5 percent is price gouging.

Trevor: 00:37:17

So, um, so he says, in other words, there is no evidence to support

Trevor: 00:37:24

the proposition that price gouging or profiteering has been a major

Trevor: 00:37:28

contributor to the rise or persistence of inflation since Mid 20, Mid 21.

Trevor: 00:37:35

So that's according to the statistics, Joe.

Trevor: 00:37:40

I know that in the business I'm involved with, I don't get to set prices.

Trevor: 00:37:44

Uh, it's in the art supply world, but I do know that there's just been relentless

Trevor: 00:37:50

cost increases for the stuff that the company imports and also big increases

Trevor: 00:37:56

in freight costs as well over time.

Trevor: 00:37:59

So,

Trevor: 00:38:02

Currency flucuations haven't helped either.

Trevor: 00:38:05

So, we've passed on a lot of price increases over the last four

Trevor: 00:38:10

years, but I don't think that's been getting any extra profit.

Trevor: 00:38:15

I

Joe: 00:38:15

know that the youths have

Trevor: 00:38:17

had an impact on free costs.

Trevor: 00:38:19

Mm, yep.

Trevor: 00:38:20

So, uh, so yeah.

Trevor: 00:38:21

Um, what have we got here in the chat room before I get to the next one?

Trevor: 00:38:25

Um,

Trevor: 00:38:29

um, are there any?

Joe: 00:38:34

Um,

Joe: 00:38:38

just the young people like Greens and the holding Labor to account.

Trevor: 00:38:43

Yeah, yeah, um,

Trevor: 00:38:49

Alison says, Seems like they're still going ahead with changing of the religious

Trevor: 00:38:52

affiliation question, which is good.

Trevor: 00:38:54

I agree, that was good.

Trevor: 00:38:55

Um, uh, Robin says, Will the right wing fundamentalist Christians

Trevor: 00:39:00

have any power in the Queensland LNP in a future government?

Trevor: 00:39:04

I'm sure they will, unfortunately, Robin.

Trevor: 00:39:07

Um, uh, Don says, um,

Trevor: 00:39:16

um, actually Alison says Greens make the ALP do better.

Trevor: 00:39:21

Do they Alison?

Trevor: 00:39:25

This current mob, I don't, I don't know that they do.

Trevor: 00:39:28

I think they're in for a shock.

Trevor: 00:39:30

And um, Alison says my newly 18 year old tells me all of the people her

Trevor: 00:39:35

age except one support the Greens.

Trevor: 00:39:38

And that one doesn't support the LNP.

Trevor: 00:39:41

Lots of the people she knows.

Trevor: 00:39:43

So, um, uh, and Watley saw Bant's press club address and he's on the

Trevor: 00:39:48

Greens page these days as well.

Trevor: 00:39:51

So, yeah.

Trevor: 00:39:53

Um, right.

Trevor: 00:39:56

What else have we got?

Trevor: 00:39:57

Um, ah, Essential Poll, Joe.

Trevor: 00:40:02

Let me just see if I can bring this one up.

Trevor: 00:40:06

Um, get rid of that, get rid of that, share a screen over

Trevor: 00:40:10

here somewhere, if I can.

Trevor: 00:40:13

Um, no, that's not that.

Trevor: 00:40:16

Let me see, Lord's Prayer.

Trevor: 00:40:17

Hmm,

Trevor: 00:40:25

I'll just go through this essential poll, the bit I want to do anyway.

Trevor: 00:40:28

Actually, get rid of that, Joe, put that there.

Trevor: 00:40:30

Sorry, we're back.

Trevor: 00:40:31

And, um, bear with me, dear listener.

Trevor: 00:40:36

Uh, essential report, 27th of August.

Trevor: 00:40:42

By the way, thank you everyone for the happy birthday wishes

Trevor: 00:40:46

for my birthday the other day.

Trevor: 00:40:48

Turned 60, Joe.

Trevor: 00:40:50

And, uh, nice quiet time.

Trevor: 00:40:54

Yeah, nice quiet time with the family.

Trevor: 00:40:56

Um, actually, dear listener, um, you might be wondering, how many

Trevor: 00:41:02

birthdays has the Iron Fist got left?

Trevor: 00:41:05

Well, I've In 2020, life expectancy at age 60 years for Australia was 25.

Trevor: 00:41:13

7.

Trevor: 00:41:14

So, if I stick to the average, then at least another 25.

Trevor: 00:41:21

7 years is what's ahead.

Trevor: 00:41:25

And Australians do better than most when it comes to life expectancy.

Trevor: 00:41:31

We do better than other anglophone countries like Ireland, Canada, New

Trevor: 00:41:35

Zealand, Britain, and of course we do much better than the United States.

Trevor: 00:41:39

Um, so there's that.

Trevor: 00:41:43

Um, so yeah.

Joe: 00:41:44

I don't know about the other colonies, but the UK

Joe: 00:41:49

has had 14 years of the Tories

Trevor: 00:41:53

ripping

Joe: 00:41:55

the guts out of the NHS.

Trevor: 00:41:57

Yep.

Joe: 00:41:58

So I know that our Medicare isn't in a great state, but it's

Joe: 00:42:01

a damn sight better than the NHS.

Trevor: 00:42:03

Yes.

Trevor: 00:42:04

Yep.

Trevor: 00:42:05

Um, and that would be one of the reasons for the life expectancy

Trevor: 00:42:10

in the US to be down because of their terrible health system.

Trevor: 00:42:13

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:42:14

Um, so yeah, looking for another 25 at least, but back to the essential report

Trevor: 00:42:22

and Joe questioned Australians about their support for Peter Dutton's call to

Trevor: 00:42:30

pause arrivals of Palestinian refugees.

Trevor: 00:42:36

And they asked Australians, as you may be aware, opposition leader Peter

Trevor: 00:42:41

Dutton has claimed that Australia should pause arrivals of Palestinian

Trevor: 00:42:44

refugees fleeing the conflict in Gaza.

Trevor: 00:42:48

To what extent do you support or oppose Dutton's cause for pausing

Trevor: 00:42:52

arrivals of Palestinian refugees?

Joe: 00:42:55

Whatever you do, don't call him a racist, because he'll go and cry.

Trevor: 00:42:59

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:43:00

Well, Joe, strongly support Peter Dutton, 23%, and somewhat support, 21%.

Trevor: 00:43:09

So we're up to 44 percent either strong or somewhat support.

Trevor: 00:43:16

With a 26 percent don't know, that leaves only 30%.

Trevor: 00:43:22

He'd disagree with him.

Trevor: 00:43:26

Pretty damning figure, that one.

Trevor: 00:43:27

Like the poor people of Gaza.

Trevor: 00:43:30

And the wretched conditions they're under.

Trevor: 00:43:34

And we've already got, you know, no doubt strict requirements for

Trevor: 00:43:42

people to qualify to get here.

Trevor: 00:43:45

But to say, it's not like we've thrown out the restrictions and

Trevor: 00:43:51

we're just going to let anybody in.

Trevor: 00:43:53

Do you agree with that?

Trevor: 00:43:53

It's, we've got a system in place to accept, and we're saying we're pausing it.

Joe: 00:44:01

He's saying that these people support Hamas and Hamas

Joe: 00:44:05

is a terrorist organisation, therefore they support terrorists.

Joe: 00:44:12

That was his argument.

Trevor: 00:44:13

Joe, people have not seen enough pictures.

Trevor: 00:44:20

Honestly, they don't see enough.

Trevor: 00:44:23

We just had the other day where the six Israeli hostages were

Trevor: 00:44:26

found dead and that got news.

Trevor: 00:44:30

Every day, 50, 100.

Trevor: 00:44:34

Palestinians are killed, shredded by some bomb, dropped on a school.

Trevor: 00:44:41

And we, we don't see the pictures in the mainstream press, but I see them

Trevor: 00:44:45

in the places I go to and they're just the most gutting images where you've

Trevor: 00:44:52

got, you know, fathers just cradling dead six year old girls and boys, or

Trevor: 00:45:01

You've got young toddlers crawling over the bodies of their parents.

Trevor: 00:45:07

Or, you've got just 20 kilos of assorted meat in a garbage bag

Trevor: 00:45:15

where they've said, that's all we could ascertain as human remains.

Trevor: 00:45:19

And, uh, that's your family member right there.

Trevor: 00:45:25

These people have no heart, they, because I don't think they're

Trevor: 00:45:28

seeing enough of what's going on.

Trevor: 00:45:33

Ah, interestingly enough, with those statistics of support for

Trevor: 00:45:36

Peter Dutton, you click on the gender profile and you know what?

Trevor: 00:45:41

It doesn't make much difference.

Trevor: 00:45:44

Males 47 percent support Peter Dutton.

Trevor: 00:45:49

Females 42%.

Trevor: 00:45:52

Not as big a difference as I would have thought.

Trevor: 00:45:54

And a few more don't knows for the females.

Trevor: 00:45:56

So, um, yeah.

Trevor: 00:46:00

Age, guess what?

Trevor: 00:46:03

Older people support Peter Dutton, younger ones don't.

Trevor: 00:46:07

At least in the younger group, 18 34, only 29 percent would

Trevor: 00:46:12

support Peter Dutton's view.

Trevor: 00:46:14

In the boomer category, 55 we're up to 77%.

Trevor: 00:46:20

No, 57 percent support him.

Trevor: 00:46:24

And of course, when it comes to voting intention, only 22 percent of Greens

Trevor: 00:46:31

support Peter Dutton, whereas 65 percent of Coalition voters support Peter Dutton.

Trevor: 00:46:42

There we go.

Trevor: 00:46:42

I really

Joe: 00:46:46

worry about the Greens who support Peter Dutton on anything.

Joe: 00:46:49

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:46:50

A fair number of Greens supporters put LNP as their second preference.

Trevor: 00:46:55

It's something like 20%.

Joe: 00:46:58

It's

Trevor: 00:46:58

bizarre.

Trevor: 00:46:59

Yeah, it is bizarre.

Trevor: 00:47:03

Just can't imagine how they, how they get to that place.

Trevor: 00:47:07

No, it

Joe: 00:47:08

seems diametrically opposed.

Trevor: 00:47:10

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:47:12

In the chat room, Alison says Um, it just moved on me.

Trevor: 00:47:16

Um, I'm hoping LNP is putting massive dollars into Ali

Trevor: 00:47:19

France's campaign to beat Dutton.

Trevor: 00:47:22

It's the most important seat in Australia, as far as our future goes.

Trevor: 00:47:25

Joe?

Trevor: 00:47:27

Yeah?

Trevor: 00:47:27

Your seat.

Joe: 00:47:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe: 00:47:29

I am willing to get out there and do whatever.

Joe: 00:47:32

There was, I think the last election, there was organising,

Joe: 00:47:37

but didn't see anything come of it.

Joe: 00:47:41

Ali?

Joe: 00:47:41

Do you remember there was There was that Overtone group that was, it was being

Joe: 00:47:48

alleged that they were funded by the ALP.

Joe: 00:47:53

They were doing, basically, they were putting funds into seats

Joe: 00:47:57

that they thought were critical, and Dutton Seat was one of them.

Trevor: 00:48:01

Okay.

Trevor: 00:48:02

And is Allie France is a green?

Trevor: 00:48:06

Labor.

Trevor: 00:48:07

Labor.

Trevor: 00:48:07

Labor.

Trevor: 00:48:08

Labor.

Trevor: 00:48:09

Okay.

Trevor: 00:48:09

Right.

Trevor: 00:48:10

Okay.

Trevor: 00:48:11

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:48:12

Is her a good green or?

Joe: 00:48:15

Candidate there?

Joe: 00:48:17

Really, I think you'd be pushed to get a labourer in.

Joe: 00:48:20

Right.

Joe: 00:48:20

I've been Dutton for, what, 15 something years?

Joe: 00:48:26

Right.

Joe: 00:48:27

In fact, no, since I've been here, so over 20 years.

Joe: 00:48:29

Mm.

Trevor: 00:48:31

Don says he's not a monster, he just looks like one.

Trevor: 00:48:34

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:48:34

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:48:36

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:48:37

Okay.

Trevor: 00:48:37

Well, um, that was that.

Trevor: 00:48:40

Let's get, where are we going for time here?

Trevor: 00:48:41

8.

Trevor: 00:48:42

49, another 10 minutes.

Trevor: 00:48:43

Uh, what else have I got here?

Trevor: 00:48:46

Um, um, News Poll, Censure Poll, Donald Trump, for a bit of comedic relief, Joe.

Trevor: 00:48:55

Did you hear the Arlington story?

Joe: 00:48:59

Yes.

Trevor: 00:49:02

So in case you missed it.

Trevor: 00:49:04

The Trump campaign plan was to stage a fake ceremony at Arlington, which

Trevor: 00:49:10

is the sort of military cerem um, cemetery, pretend it was a public

Trevor: 00:49:17

ceremony, and then condemn Vice President Harris for not showing up.

Trevor: 00:49:23

And the U.

Trevor: 00:49:24

S.

Trevor: 00:49:24

Army issued a statement condemning Trump's uh, actions.

Trevor: 00:49:31

And yeah, in a sane world, This would be campaign ending.

Trevor: 00:49:36

So, um, so yeah, they went to Arlington and

Joe: 00:49:44

He claimed he didn't know that the TV cameras were following him.

Trevor: 00:49:49

Well, you know, for a start he's breached federal law because

Trevor: 00:49:54

you're not allowed to use this sort of federal facility for campaign purposes.

Trevor: 00:49:59

There was a woman there on sort of an official in charge of the cemetery

Trevor: 00:50:05

who was sort of pushed over in the process as they bowled her out the

Trevor: 00:50:09

way to do whatever they wanted to do.

Trevor: 00:50:11

Completely trashed the place.

Trevor: 00:50:13

And here's an interview where Donald Trump was questioned about

Trevor: 00:50:19

that and let's see him use his fine debating skills and knowledge.

Joe: 00:50:26

I'm not you

Trevor: 00:50:27

are.

Trevor: 00:50:28

To sort of get himself out of a tight situation here.

Clip: 00:50:34

Should your campaign have put out those videos and photos?

Trump: 00:50:37

TikTok people, you know, we're leading the internet.

Trump: 00:50:39

That was the other thing.

Trump: 00:50:40

We're so far above her on the internet.

Trump: 00:50:42

But on that

Trump: 00:50:43

hallowed ground, should they have put out the images of those?

Trump: 00:50:45

Well, I don't know what the rules and

Trump: 00:50:46

regulations are.

Trump: 00:50:47

I don't know who did it.

Trump: 00:50:48

And I, it could have been them.

Trump: 00:50:50

It could have been the parents.

Trump: 00:50:51

It could have been somebody.

Trump: 00:50:52

It was

Journalist: 00:50:52

your campaign's TikTok though that put out the video.

Journalist: 00:50:54

I

Trump: 00:50:54

really don't know anything about it.

Trump: 00:50:55

All I do is I stood there and I said, if you'd like to have a

Trump: 00:50:58

picture, we can have a picture.

Trump: 00:51:00

If somebody did, if this was a setup by, uh, The people in the administration

Trump: 00:51:06

that, oh, Trump is coming to Arlington, that looks so bad for us.

Trevor: 00:51:12

What do you think Joe, was that convincing?

Joe: 00:51:14

It wasn't me that stole the cookies.

Joe: 00:51:17

With the big brown cookie crumbs all over his mouth.

Joe: 00:51:22

I have seen people saying the buck doesn't stop there.

Trevor: 00:51:28

He's ready to blame the families.

Joe: 00:51:29

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Joe: 00:51:31

He's not willing to take responsibility for anything.

Joe: 00:51:34

What a shocking cad.

Joe: 00:51:36

Yeah, yeah.

Trevor: 00:51:37

Just a shocker.

Trevor: 00:51:38

But maybe, Joe, we just don't understand.

Trevor: 00:51:42

Like, people accuse him of rambling and going off on tangents and of, of just

Trevor: 00:51:49

being a bit kooky and loopy and, but they're not recognising the genius of, of

Trevor: 00:51:56

his persuasive arguments as he weaves his.

Trevor: 00:51:59

Concepts and ideas into a coherent form.

Trevor: 00:52:03

Let's see how that works.

Trump: 00:52:08

But what happened so with Afghanistan, you know, I do the

Trump: 00:52:11

weave, you know what the weave is?

Trump: 00:52:14

I'll talk about like nine different things and they all come back

Trump: 00:52:17

brilliantly together and it's like, and friends of mine that are like

Trump: 00:52:21

English professors, they say, it's the most brilliant thing I've ever seen.

Trump: 00:52:27

But the fake news, you know what they say?

Trump: 00:52:29

He rambled.

Trump: 00:52:30

That's not rambling.

Trump: 00:52:32

When you have, what you do is you get off a subject to mention another

Trump: 00:52:35

little tidbit, then you get back onto the subject, and you go through

Trump: 00:52:40

this, and you do it for two hours.

Trump: 00:52:42

And you don't even mispronounce one word.

Joe: 00:52:46

But you can get a good discount on your gold and silver.

Trevor: 00:52:51

You're talking about the ad that was.

Joe: 00:52:52

Yeah, that was rolling at the same time.

Joe: 00:52:55

Um, people have accused him of being a liar and he's not, because to lie,

Joe: 00:53:03

you need to know what the truth is.

Joe: 00:53:05

He doesn't care what the truth is.

Joe: 00:53:06

He just makes it up as he goes along.

Joe: 00:53:09

And, um, you know, he keeps on going on about the late great Hannibal Lecter.

Joe: 00:53:15

Because he's convinced he's a real person.

Joe: 00:53:18

Well, the parallels have been drawn.

Joe: 00:53:21

They've both appeared in public behind bulletproof glass screens.

Trevor: 00:53:25

There you go.

Trevor: 00:53:25

Ah, I've got one more clip here.

Trevor: 00:53:31

Unrelated, I guess.

Trevor: 00:53:32

Although, you know, you have to say on that Arlington one, the reporter sort

Trevor: 00:53:36

of shot back at him pretty quickly, just when he was saying, Oh, I don't

Trevor: 00:53:40

know who it was, maybe it was And she said, well, it was your TikTok.

Joe: 00:53:47

Have you seen the debate about the debate?

Trevor: 00:53:51

The debate?

Trevor: 00:53:52

Yeah, the debate.

Joe: 00:53:53

Yeah, yeah, there's supposed to be a debate between Harris and Trump.

Trevor: 00:53:57

Ah, so arguing over the conditions and all that?

Trevor: 00:54:01

Yeah,

Joe: 00:54:02

because, um, The original conditions basically said that both of them would

Joe: 00:54:07

have muted microphones when the other one was speaking and Harris team are

Joe: 00:54:12

going, no, no, no, have the microphones open because apparently when Biden

Joe: 00:54:19

was debating, Trump was going off on one, which was throwing Biden off,

Joe: 00:54:25

but because he was muted, the audience didn't see that and they want everyone

Joe: 00:54:30

to see that Trump is rambling on and just make him look as unhinged as he is.

Joe: 00:54:37

So that when she's thrown, and she's perfectly capable of dealing with him,

Joe: 00:54:41

but rather than having her arguing back at him with the audience not having heard

Joe: 00:54:47

what was going on, at least they'd know that Trump had made another interjection,

Joe: 00:54:51

and that's why she was addressing it.

Trevor: 00:54:54

Yeah, okay, because having him muted would work to his advantage.

Trevor: 00:54:59

Yes.

Trevor: 00:55:00

So, and, And Trump is insisting on a muted mic.

Trevor: 00:55:05

Trump's

Joe: 00:55:05

team is insisting on a muted mic.

Joe: 00:55:07

I think Trump would quite happily ramble.

Joe: 00:55:10

Trump's team knows that he's a liability when he's let unfiltered.

Trevor: 00:55:15

Mm.

Joe: 00:55:15

And, and so they want to shut him up when he's not speaking.

Trevor: 00:55:18

Mm.

Trevor: 00:55:19

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:55:20

No, but none of that surprises me.

Trevor: 00:55:22

Um, you've been watching, um, Robert Kennedy Jr for a while, and Oh,

Joe: 00:55:29

I've just listened to the Behind the Bastards episode, sorry.

Joe: 00:55:33

Four episodes on the history of.

Joe: 00:55:36

R.

Joe: 00:55:36

F.

Joe: 00:55:36

K.

Joe: 00:55:36

Jr.

Joe: 00:55:39

Um, they're saying he had a very disturbed childhood, obviously his uncle getting

Joe: 00:55:44

killed and then his dad getting killed, uh, and he dealt with it badly, but, um,

Joe: 00:55:53

just the whole people dying around him.

Joe: 00:55:58

Um, the general lawlessness because as a Kennedy they could get away with anything.

Joe: 00:56:04

Apparently as a teenager he, he, he created a gang that were into causing

Joe: 00:56:10

trouble in their very expensive neighborhood and one of his family members

Joe: 00:56:14

got arrested so he went back to rescue him and then approached the copper who'd

Joe: 00:56:19

arrested his cousin or whoever it was and said, you're never gonna guess who I am.

Joe: 00:56:25

What I've got under my jacket.

Trevor: 00:56:28

Mm-Hmm.

Trevor: 00:56:28

, Joe: uh, he, he's going, I've got a hawk under here and it's trained to kill cops.

Trevor: 00:56:33

And the cop's going, I don't believe you don't be stupid.

Trevor: 00:56:36

And then he pulls that hawk 'cause he was a hawker,

Trevor: 00:56:42

like a falcon type Hawke.

Trevor: 00:56:44

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:56:44

Right.

Trevor: 00:56:44

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:56:46

Jesus.

Joe: 00:56:51

Apparently he's character.

Trevor: 00:56:53

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:56:54

Well, I'll play this clip and it's, uh, it's interesting because.

Trevor: 00:57:00

The reporter was ready for his denial of being a vaccine denier.

Trevor: 00:57:07

And she poses the question and he says, I never said that.

Trevor: 00:57:13

And she says, stop right there.

Trevor: 00:57:16

And let's play a clip, which I think is what, um, people need to do more often.

Trevor: 00:57:24

If you're going to be a decent journalist is have some of this stuff.

Trevor: 00:57:27

Cause you know.

Trevor: 00:57:29

What these guys are going to do.

Trevor: 00:57:31

You should have the clips ready.

Trevor: 00:57:33

Um, Don in the chat room says, Falconer is the term.

Trevor: 00:57:37

He was a falconer.

Trevor: 00:57:38

Fair enough.

Trevor: 00:57:39

Fair enough.

Trevor: 00:57:40

Okay, here's uh, RFK Jr.

Trevor: 00:57:43

being interviewed by a reporter who had done some preparation.

Journalist: 00:57:51

You have gained notoriety for your skepticism about vaccines,

Journalist: 00:57:54

and over the summer in an interview you said, quote, There's no vaccine

Journalist: 00:57:58

that is, you know, safe and effective.

Journalist: 00:58:00

Do you still believe that?

Journalist: 00:58:01

I never said that.

Journalist: 00:58:02

So stop me.

Journalist: 00:58:03

We have the clip.

Journalist: 00:58:04

Please play the clip.

Journalist: 00:58:05

I just

Clip: 00:58:05

talked about that the media slanders you by calling you an anti vaxxer.

Clip: 00:58:09

You're not anti vaccine, you're pro safe vaccine.

Clip: 00:58:15

Difficult question.

Clip: 00:58:16

Can you name any vaccines that you think are good?

RFK: 00:58:19

Um, I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably, uh, solving

RFK: 00:58:26

more problems than they're causing.

RFK: 00:58:27

Um, there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.

RFK: 00:58:33

What I'm saying is

Trevor: 00:58:36

So she gets him with the clip saying there is no vaccine

Trevor: 00:58:40

that's safe and effective.

Trevor: 00:58:41

But he just denied saying that.

Trevor: 00:58:42

And also he

Joe: 00:58:43

went to Samoa, was it?

Joe: 00:58:46

Mm hmm.

Joe: 00:58:47

And of course, basically there was a huge measle outbreak not

Joe: 00:58:50

long after he'd been there.

Joe: 00:58:52

Right.

Joe: 00:58:52

Decrying the measles vaccine.

Trevor: 00:58:54

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:58:55

Dangerous man.

Joe: 00:58:56

Mm.

Trevor: 00:58:57

Yeah.

Trevor: 00:58:58

So, uh So, that's what we need our, sort of, reporters to be,

Trevor: 00:59:06

ready to go, with clips like that.

Trevor: 00:59:08

But you know, a cad like that is about to deny everything, so.

Trevor: 00:59:14

Right, Joe, that's, uh, we're nearly there.

Trevor: 00:59:17

What else did I have in here that might want to fit in without doing it next time?

Trevor: 00:59:22

Um, uh.

Trevor: 00:59:27

Did you want to say anything about the Telegram founder being arrested in France?

Joe: 00:59:34

Yeah, I mean, um, from what I hear, the French authorities are

Joe: 00:59:41

basically accusing him of creating a, an encrypted tele, uh, messaging

Joe: 00:59:46

system, uh, that has no oversight for what goes on and therefore he's

Joe: 00:59:53

enabled bad people to do bad things.

Trevor: 00:59:58

And apparently, well I've got here part of the French claim is

Trevor: 01:00:01

refusal to communicate upon request from the authorised authorities the

Trevor: 01:00:07

information or documents necessary for the performance and exploitation

Trevor: 01:00:11

of interceptions authorised by law.

Trevor: 01:00:14

So French law allows French authorities to intercept communications.

Trevor: 01:00:21

And to have, um, sort of, platforms cooperate with that

Trevor: 01:00:27

interception, and he basically failed to do that, so they're saying

Joe: 01:00:33

Yeah, and that's the thing about end to end encryption, is you can't do that.

Trevor: 01:00:37

Mm.

Joe: 01:00:37

If you create a backdoor for the legal authorities, you

Joe: 01:00:40

create a backdoor for anybody.

Trevor: 01:00:42

Mm.

Joe: 01:00:43

And Telegram was set up, basically, I think, in Russia, And

Joe: 01:00:51

a lot of, there are a lot of pro Russian groups on it, but there's also

Joe: 01:00:54

a lot of anti Russian groups on it.

Joe: 01:00:56

A lot of dissidents, all of whom would very much like the encryption

Joe: 01:01:01

features, the end to end, and don't want governments to have access.

Joe: 01:01:05

So the question is, do you allow dissidents,

Joe: 01:01:10

to use a thing even though bad people are going to use it?

Joe: 01:01:14

Or do you shut it down for everybody and make it unsafe for everybody?

Trevor: 01:01:17

Hmm.

Trevor: 01:01:19

You know, if a platform's being used to traffic, you know, child sex slaves,

Trevor: 01:01:26

for example, we absolutely want to be able to intercept what's going on.

Trevor: 01:01:33

So, there can be legitimate reasons.

Trevor: 01:01:36

Yeah, but that's

Joe: 01:01:37

always the excuse, isn't it?

Joe: 01:01:38

The police will always pull out the But think of the children.

Joe: 01:01:42

And there are other techniques.

Joe: 01:01:45

So, it just makes their life harder, and they don't like

Joe: 01:01:49

their life being made harder.

Trevor: 01:01:50

Um,

Joe: 01:01:55

you know, when, in an ideal world, we'd all be living in a

Joe: 01:01:59

police state, according to the cops.

Joe: 01:02:01

You know, they'd have the ability to bug anybody's phone, because

Joe: 01:02:03

people might be doing bad things.

Trevor: 01:02:06

Well, they can bug phones.

Joe: 01:02:08

They can, but they

Trevor: 01:02:09

have to

Joe: 01:02:09

apply for a warrant.

Trevor: 01:02:10

Yes.

Trevor: 01:02:11

Yeah, and we're kind of happy with that, aren't we?

Trevor: 01:02:14

Well, are we?

Trevor: 01:02:16

I am.

Joe: 01:02:18

Well, but you know, um, we want people to be caught.

Joe: 01:02:22

Yeah, but you and I grew up with the Berlin Wall and Soviet,

Joe: 01:02:27

well, the Communist Europe.

Joe: 01:02:29

Where that was taken to extreme and in fact you grew up in Sir Joe's Queensland.

Joe: 01:02:35

Mmm.

Joe: 01:02:36

Where do you think that the police listening in on phone lines was always

Joe: 01:02:40

in the best defense of the public, or was in the best defense of Joe?

Trevor: 01:02:45

I guess I'd rather a system that enables interception with, with, uh, some

Trevor: 01:02:52

sort of ombudsman oversight than, than a system that just doesn't allow it at all.

Joe: 01:03:00

And the point is there are always other methods, but they are

Joe: 01:03:03

more expensive and they're difficult.

Trevor: 01:03:05

Yeah,

Joe: 01:03:05

it just might not work.

Joe: 01:03:07

Well, yeah, I mean, so if you're really after a criminal, you can get onto their

Joe: 01:03:11

phone and, um, put bad software on it.

Joe: 01:03:19

Or you can sneak in and bug their house.

Joe: 01:03:23

It's, it's the level of pervasive surveillance that

Joe: 01:03:27

modern technology allows.

Joe: 01:03:30

And you kind of want roadblocks in that, because otherwise you get the

Joe: 01:03:33

American program where they're just, siphoning up huge amounts of data because

Joe: 01:03:38

it might be useful at a later date.

Trevor: 01:03:40

And

Joe: 01:03:41

that is a worry.

Trevor: 01:03:42

Yes.

Trevor: 01:03:43

Well, I guess I would, I would want the laws to say you can't do that.

Trevor: 01:03:48

But the law

Joe: 01:03:49

said that in America, it didn't stop them.

Trevor: 01:03:51

Yes.

Trevor: 01:03:53

Yes.

Trevor: 01:03:55

Meanwhile, in Brazil, they've banned the use of X, formerly known as Twitter.

Joe: 01:04:05

No, we're calling it Twitter.

Joe: 01:04:07

What's that?

Joe: 01:04:08

I said we're calling it Twitter.

Trevor: 01:04:09

Okay, let's do that.

Trevor: 01:04:10

If

Joe: 01:04:11

Elon won't stop deadnaming his child, then we won't stop deadnaming Twitter.

Joe: 01:04:17

Yeah,

Trevor: 01:04:18

yeah, yeah.

Trevor: 01:04:19

We've got 22 million users in Brazil.

Joe: 01:04:22

Mm hmm.

Trevor: 01:04:23

If you were in Brazil now, and you try to use a VPN to access Twitter, You

Trevor: 01:04:29

could be fined up to 8, 874 per day, Joe.

Trevor: 01:04:36

You probably just wouldn't bother with the VPN.

Trevor: 01:04:39

That's a big fine for people trying to, to get around it.

Trevor: 01:04:44

Um, and that was the, uh, Supreme Court that banned Twitter in Brazil.

Trevor: 01:04:52

Um, let's see, of course, the US government.

Trevor: 01:04:58

Moved to protect its business interests, issued a warning to Brazil, U.

Trevor: 01:05:04

S.

Trevor: 01:05:04

Embassy is monitoring the situation between the Supreme Court and Twitter.

Trevor: 01:05:09

And we, the U.

Trevor: 01:05:11

S.

Trevor: 01:05:11

Embassy, as in the USA, reiterate that freedom of expression is a fundamental

Trevor: 01:05:16

pillar of a healthy democracy.

Trevor: 01:05:17

From the country that told TikTok, you've got to sell up or else you're banned.

Joe: 01:05:25

I wonder how, um, who's the green, what's his name, the journalist

Joe: 01:05:31

who lives there with his husband?

Joe: 01:05:33

Greenwald.

Joe: 01:05:34

Yeah.

Trevor: 01:05:34

Yeah.

Joe: 01:05:35

He's Brazilian.

Joe: 01:05:36

Yeah.

Joe: 01:05:36

Or lives in Brazil.

Joe: 01:05:37

Yeah.

Joe: 01:05:37

I wonder, I'm fairly sure he was strong on Twitter.

Trevor: 01:05:41

Yes, he's very much a libertarian free speech advocate.

Joe: 01:05:44

Yeah, I just wonder what he's got to say about that.

Trevor: 01:05:47

Yeah.

Trevor: 01:05:48

Um.

Trevor: 01:05:50

So.

Trevor: 01:05:50

Yeah.

Trevor: 01:05:52

They were, um, the judge responsible for the ban had been spearheading an attempt

Trevor: 01:05:57

to force Twitter to purge anti democratic far right voices in the wake of January

Trevor: 01:06:05

2023 uprising in the capital, Brasilia, carried out by supporters of the former

Trevor: 01:06:11

far right president, uh, Bolsonaro.

Trevor: 01:06:14

So,

Trevor: 01:06:18

quite possibly colour revolutionary types, um,

Joe: 01:06:23

I think they were more January 6th types.

Trevor: 01:06:26

Yes.

Trevor: 01:06:27

And basically the Supreme Court wanted Twitter to cancel those accounts

Trevor: 01:06:34

and Twitter was uncooperative.

Trevor: 01:06:36

So the Supreme Court said, um, see these accounts here, you need to cancel them.

Trevor: 01:06:42

And they said, I'm not talking to you.

Trevor: 01:06:45

So I said, okay, that's it.

Trevor: 01:06:46

You're out of here.

Trevor: 01:06:46

What do you think of that one, Joe?

Trevor: 01:06:51

Just cancelling accounts.

Trevor: 01:06:54

Purging accounts?

Joe: 01:06:55

Well, uh, it's not a public space, is it?

Trevor: 01:07:00

Hmm.

Joe: 01:07:01

Uh, twi Twitter all along have argued that, um, first

Joe: 01:07:06

Amendment doesn't apply to them.

Trevor: 01:07:09

Mm-Hmm.

Trevor: 01:07:10

. Joe: Um, it's not a public space.

Trevor: 01:07:12

It's a private, and they're a private corporation.

Trevor: 01:07:15

They can choose to do whatever they like.

Trevor: 01:07:17

Mm-Hmm.

Trevor: 01:07:20

. Okay.

Trevor: 01:07:20

Um.

Trevor: 01:07:23

Yeah, that's all that, I think.

Trevor: 01:07:25

Um, and, um, oh,

Trevor: 01:07:34

just on subs.

Trevor: 01:07:35

Can't have an episode without it.

Trevor: 01:07:38

Do you remember the time when Canada cancelled its nuclear submarine order?

Trevor: 01:07:43

Uh, no, but

Trevor: 01:07:46

Back in 1987.

Trevor: 01:07:50

When no one knew that the Cold War was just about to end, the

Trevor: 01:07:53

Canadian government signed up to build 10 nuclear powered submarines.

Trevor: 01:07:59

And that program lasted for two years before being cancelled in 1989.

Trevor: 01:08:07

No nuclear Canadian sub ever began construction, let alone put in the water.

Trevor: 01:08:14

One of the reasons was the price tag.

Trevor: 01:08:18

And, um, basically, the ministries involved in construction became embroiled

Trevor: 01:08:24

in conflict, choice of vessel design came under withering criticism from

Trevor: 01:08:29

the Treasury Department, finally media support eroded with 71 percent of the

Trevor: 01:08:34

population opposed to the project.

Trevor: 01:08:37

And so two years after the deal was announced, it was cancelled.

Trevor: 01:08:43

Canadians have done it.

Trevor: 01:08:45

There you go, Albanese.

Trevor: 01:08:47

It can be done.

Trevor: 01:08:49

It'll have to be done at some point.

Trevor: 01:08:54

Maybe Trump will do it for us.

Trevor: 01:08:56

Yeah,

Joe: 01:08:56

hopefully not.

Joe: 01:08:57

Hopefully Trump doesn't manage to get to a point where he can.

Trevor: 01:09:01

Well, dear listener, thank you in the chat room for your participation.

Trevor: 01:09:05

Falconer was the last comment there, or Falk ner.

Trevor: 01:09:10

Um.

Trevor: 01:09:12

We'll be back next week at the special new time, permanent time, of 7.

Trevor: 01:09:17

30.

Trevor: 01:09:18

So hopefully that might help Scott.

Trevor: 01:09:20

We'll talk to him, see if that suits, and um, yeah, so if you want to join in the

Trevor: 01:09:24

chat room half an hour earlier in future.

Trevor: 01:09:27

Until then, bye for now.

Joe: 01:09:30

And there's a good night from him.